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To: raygunfan
[ How is that not Christ based? ]

Because Jesus gave zero instructions for doing this..
It was merely an attempt at organization.. and control..
Sometimes with good results sometimes with bad..

What were bad results?.. When the Holy Spirit was forgotten and usurped..
Meaning when clergical control was developed.. and it was developed..
When the "church" became like a club.. with bylaws and officers..

It happened quite quickly in some places..

In the beginning the Holy Spirit was honored as "real and present"..
In the end (like now in most places) the Holy Spirit was not needed..
The "congragation" could function fine withour him..
But was called, out to, like a dog.. or retarded janitor..

Most churchs I've visited could function nicely without the Holy Spirit..
And DO... except when called on to perform, like a Penn and Teller Magic Show..
i.e. was it the Holy Spirit or just an entertainment trick..

66 posted on 04/05/2008 6:26:04 AM PDT by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole....)
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To: hosepipe

oh, i get it, the word of God that i posted, that you claim as the sole rule of faith, that shows the apostles, appointing successors and telling others to do the same, to run the church, is wrong?

can you tell me what they meant in those scriptures then?

i mean, so far, you have done nothing but disagree with the written word of God....the same written word you claim is the end all be all of the faith...

so please, re-interpret those scriptures and make them say something other than what a plain contextual reading means....

im anxious to hear how to change the plain meaning of the text...


67 posted on 04/05/2008 6:47:57 AM PDT by raygunfan
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