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To: Blogger

> Ask Jesus. He’s the one who made the proclamation.

I’d rather ask you.

> Transparency and Secrets are contradictory terms.

How so? Like all organizations, Freemasons have things that are confidential and not to be disclosed to non-members. Believe it or not, you do not have a Constitutional “Right to Know”. If busybodies wrote your Constitution, you would have that right. But they didn’t, so you don’t.

If you think it thru carefully, you would probably agree that is a good thing.

> So far, other than saying “well that is their opinion” you have done nothing to refute what has been said

I don’t have to refute it, beyond noting that it is his opinion to have and to hold and to spruik forth as much as he likes. I don’t share his opinion, I don’t have to share it, and I don’t have to argue it — it is there on a take-it-or-leave-it basis, and I choose to leave it. I am free to argue the toss with Pike if I felt his Opinion important enough to refute, but frankly why waste the time?

> A financial institution will not make you swear upon getting your throat slit if you break the promise.

Neither does Freemasonry. Once again demonstrating the futility of trying to delve into things that are really of no legitimate concern to you. As I said, the analogy is perfect.

> Jah Bul On is not compatible with Christianity.

Again demonstrating the futility of delving into matters that do not concern you. “Jah Bul On” plays no part of the three degrees of regular Freemasonry. And you would be thoroughly disappointed if you knew what it did pertain to, and why.

As Alexander Pope (a famous Catholic Freemason) once famously wrote:

“A little learning is a dangerous thing; drink deep, or taste not the Pierian spring: there shallow draughts intoxicate the brain, and drinking largely sobers us again.”

And that, really, is very sound advice, both for life in general and for Freemasonry in specific.

> Any “penalty” short of disfellowshipping to a mere fraternal organization is an exercise in control that nobody should be willing to take. A fraternal group should have the right to say who is included in their organization and who isn’t. They shouldn’t have penalties beyond that.

Who says we do? And what do you think happens to Freemasons who break their promises and tell our Secrets?

> Not the same situation.
> Not the same situation again.

Identical situations. If you disagree, then in what ways are they different? They are the same: the analogy fits perfectly!

> Freemasonry is not a legal entity subject to governmental laws if you break a secret.

Neither is a bank, neither is any organization for which you must sign a Confidentiality Agreement.

> You may have civil damages, but unlike a bank, or an insurance company, it stands alone and is a different breed of cat if you will.

In what way? Seriously, you Conspiracy Theorists are talking out of your hat!


142 posted on 04/07/2008 10:35:26 AM PDT by DieHard the Hunter (Is mise an ceann-cinnidh. Cha ghéill mi do dhuine. Fàg am bealach.)
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To: DieHard the Hunter
Ask Jesus. He’s the one who made the proclamation

I’d rather ask you.

It is enough for me that He said it and as Sovereign God I know He does nothing without a purpose. It isn't for me to question His purpose, just obey it.

Transparency and Secrets are contradictory terms. How so?
A dictionary might be helpful here. If you are hiding things, you aren't transparent.

I don’t have to refute it, beyond noting that it is his opinion to have and to hold and to spruik forth as much as he likes.
For the purposes of the discussion, it would be helpful if you would try to refute it because thus far you've just said "you're wrong, because I said so, and since you're not a Mason then you shouldn't even be looking into this stuff and you're an idiot for using our leaders to point stuff out to us." Not much of an argument if you ask me (which I know you didn't). Beyond this, I could quote authorities but since you don't recognize them I'm wasting my time. Guess we will leave it there.
151 posted on 04/07/2008 12:50:30 PM PDT by Blogger (His love, not mine, the resting place, His truth, not mine, the tie.- Horatius Bonar)
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