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To: Boagenes
Just want to touch one quick thing on your post. I agree wholeheartedly that there were a lot of scummy Popes. If you find a Catholic who claims they were free of flaws, knock 'em on the head for me! But...I think you have an strange view of when "ex Cathedra" applies.

It is not normal for the Pope to speak "ex cathedra." Nowhere near everything he says qualifies for this status. In fact, most scholars believe such authority has been used only 7 times in the last 2000 years. Not a common occurance, by any strech. Wikipedia actually has a decent list:

Now, if you'd like to have a discussion on any of these, feel free to ask, and I'm sure that there are many Catholic FReepers who would be more than willing to talk with you!

46 posted on 04/03/2008 5:43:31 PM PDT by thefrankbaum
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To: thefrankbaum; Boagenes

Incidentally, I can understand the difficulty with the Immaculate Conception going from scripture alone, but the Assumption is right there, Apoc. 12.


47 posted on 04/03/2008 5:46:37 PM PDT by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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