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To: roamer_1
I hadn't noticed...

Poor communicators rarely do.

Piece of advice; next time you want to "imply" a complex idea, don't be so lazy: write it out.

You are welcome to provide said exegesis by way of a link, or in your own words...

I already did that, remember? You just declared it wrong, and proceeded with your campaign.

Because there is no need that the "bread physically becomes the flesh". It is (IMHO) a rather tortured extrapolation which isn't necessary. The symbolism suffices, and takes nothing away from the Sacrament of the Communion.

What other commands of Christ, in your humble opinion, can be rationalized away?

If you see error in my way, prove it.

I see numerous errors in your way, but as for proving them...well, that requires some contribution on your part. There is no more impenetrable barrier to finding truth than the mistaken assumption you already have it.

For my part, I have always tried to remember to ask, no matter what the subject of inquiry, "if I were wrong, how could someone prove it to me?"

Not having an answer to that question guarantees that even if someone does prove I am wrong, I will not recognize that fact, and continue to argue against it.

196 posted on 04/05/2008 7:29:19 PM PDT by papertyger (The left fosters lawlessness & bad culture by denying the legitimacy of the law and Western culture.)
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To: papertyger
[You are welcome to provide said exegesis by way of a link, or in your own words...]

I already did that, remember?

I suspect you are referring to this bit:

This thread, #131

Which is why we ask the Blessed Virgin Mary to interceed for us. The Scriptures clearly state Jesus told the BVM "mine hour is not yet come," but He changed the divine plan for His first miracle to accommodate her. NO ONE else in Scripture evinces such a profound influence on the Almighty for such a pedestrian problem.

To which I replied:

This thread, #159

...Or perhaps it is merely the record of his first miracle, wrapped around a young man honoring his mother, in spite of an "Aw, Jeez, Ma..." moment.

Since Mary's intercession is only inferred within the passage, as I am sure you will agree, I would be more comfortable with your interpretation thereof if it could be confirmed 'thematically' elsewhere at the very least.

As an example, we both accept the Trinity, the Triune Godhead, because of evidence of that theme- While there is no direct mention of the Trinity within the scripture, there is a substantial body of scripture that supports the inference.

I am unaware of substantial evidence of Mary's intercessory role, or of the intercession of saints, as a broader theme, within the Scriptures.

Your reply follows:

This thread, #174

No.

I have no intention of kowtowing to sectarian insistence that Scripture is the only yardstick of validity.

I have the witness of this Scripture and Church teaching. That is sufficient.

to which I replied:

This thread, #176

The[n] you may keep it.

You just declared it wrong, and proceeded with your campaign.

I did not, as illustrated above.

You are basing the entirety of the Scriptural foundation for 'Mary's Intercession' upon a single passage, where this supposed ability is not even declared, but only inferred (to be kind).

I did *not* declare it wrong, but asked for more evidence, and not declarative evidence, at that, but only thematic evidence of any sort, provided it was from within the Word. I went on to show an example to help you on your way.

It was only after you flatly refused to provide further evidence, suggesting some undue burden, that I rejected your position. I am more than happy to discuss it even now, but cannot discuss anything, really, on such a poor bit of proof.

What other commands of Christ, in your humble opinion, can be rationalized away?

I might ask to see the scar from your heart being physically circumcised... Have you dug around in your eyeball to find the board within? Did you know that Balaam tied his ass to a tree and walked for 40 miles?

Rightly divided.

I see numerous errors in your way, but as for proving them...well, that requires some contribution on your part. There is no more impenetrable barrier to finding truth than the mistaken assumption you already have it.

Nonsense. I am more than happy to throw my faith upon the altar, and have done so many, many times. I am entirely open to new ideas a whole lot crazier than anything discussed herein, and upon finding proofs within the Scripture, I am happy to ponder the thought, seeking to further my knowledge.

I want the TRUTH, as I have stated before. I have no sacred cows, with the single exception that every single thing will be judged against a single standard- That standard being the Holy Word of God.

If your evidence cannot withstand scrutiny based upon that standard, then we really have no more to say.

198 posted on 04/06/2008 12:18:13 AM PDT by roamer_1 (Globalism is just Socialism in a business suit.)
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