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To: roamer_1
In the first place, your 'usurpation' is a bit presumptuous. You have no ability to usurp anything that is Christ's.

Hey, I'm not the one that claimed "The role of the intercessor is the same thing as the role of a priest," so don't expect ME to make sense out of it.

Why would one place a call to the advertising department when one has the private number of the CEO? It seems a bit silly, doesn't it?

Not at all. One does not treat their sovereign like their "go-to-guy." The Scriptures tell us in many places to be cautious in the presence of the King.

Likewise, I imagine an intercessory prayer is of little real effect in the presence of an eternal, omniscient, omnipotent God.

Which is why we ask the Blessed Virgin Mary to interceed for us. The Scriptures clearly state Jesus told the BVM "mine hour is not yet come," but He changed the divine plan for His first miracle to accommodate her. NO ONE else in Scripture evinces such a profound influence on the Almighty for such a pedestrian problem.

131 posted on 04/04/2008 2:02:13 AM PDT by papertyger (The left fosters lawlessness & bad culture by denying the legitimacy of the law and Western culture.)
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To: papertyger
Hey, I'm not the one that claimed "The role of the intercessor is the same thing as the role of a priest," so don't expect ME to make sense out of it.


Heb 7:19 For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God.
Heb 7:20 And inasmuch as not without an oath he was made priest:
Heb 7:21 (For those priests were made without an oath; but this with an oath by him that said unto him, The Lord swore and will not repent, Thou art a priest forever after the order of Melchizedek:)
Heb 7:22 By so much was Jesus made a surety of a better testament.
Heb 7:23 And they truly were many priests, because they were not suffered to continue by reason of death:
Heb 7:24 But this man, because he continueth ever, hath an unchangeable priesthood.
Heb 7:25 Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them.
Heb 7:26 For such a high priest became us, who is holy, harmless, undefiled, separate from sinners, and made higher than the heavens;
Heb 7:27 Who needeth not daily, as those high priests, to offer up sacrifice, first for his own sins, and then for the people's: for this he did once, when he offered up himself.
Heb 7:28 For the law maketh men high priests which have infirmity; but the word of the oath, which was since the law, maketh the Son, who is consecrated forevermore.
(e-Sword: KJV)

Not at all. One does not treat their sovereign like their "go-to-guy." The Scriptures tell us in many places to be cautious in the presence of the King.

Surely. He is our Sovereign, our Redeemer, and our Priest. He is most worthy of the respect he deserves, and should not be taken lightly. But you miss the point: There is no other. He is the Sovereign, the Redeemer, and the Priest.

Which is why we ask the Blessed Virgin Mary to interceed for us.

You need an intercessor for your Intercessor? What, is He too busy or something?

The Scriptures clearly state Jesus told the BVM "mine hour is not yet come," but He changed the divine plan for His first miracle to accommodate her. NO ONE else in Scripture evinces such a profound influence on the Almighty for such a pedestrian problem.

...Or perhaps it is merely the record of his first miracle, wrapped around a young man honoring his mother, in spite of an "Aw, Jeez, Ma..." moment.

Since Mary's intercession is only inferred within the passage, as I am sure you will agree, I would be more comfortable with your interpretation thereof if it could be confirmed 'thematically' elsewhere at the very least.

As an example, we both accept the Trinity, the Triune Godhead, because of evidence of that theme- While there is no direct mention of the Trinity within the scripture, there is a substantial body of scripture that supports the inference.

I am unaware of substantial evidence of Mary's intercessory role, or of the intercession of saints, as a broader theme, within the Scriptures.

159 posted on 04/04/2008 1:18:59 PM PDT by roamer_1 (Globalism is just Socialism in a business suit.)
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