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To: annalex; HarleyD; blue-duncan; Dr. Eckleburg; Mad Dawg; suzyjaruki; 1000 silverlings; wmfights
We conclude that the intention of St. Paul in Romans was to describe the overwhelmingly true sad condition of man, while allowing for implied exceptions.

This only makes sense in a world where we don't know what words mean, so we constantly redefine them to fit what we want them to mean. IOW, we start by defining what "is" is.

The statement "all have sinned" can now be read to mean "well most have sinned", but not all because we have some implied exceptions. It's silly and sloppy thinking. It only exists because you church painted itself into a corner with all its extra Scriptural beliefs.

Christ is most definitely Mary’s Savior, and given her fullness of grace before the Annunciation, I don’t see what other conclusion one can reach but that Christ made her sinless and immaculately conceived.

Why? The blessing was that God would use her. It says nothing of transforming her.

949 posted on 04/07/2008 7:04:50 PM PDT by wmfights (Believe - THE GOSPEL - and be saved)
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To: wmfights; HarleyD; blue-duncan; Dr. Eckleburg; Mad Dawg; suzyjaruki; 1000 silverlings
only makes sense in a world where we don't know what words mean

So, Jesus has sinned?

The blessing was that God would use her. It says nothing of transforming her.

Not the blessing, the "full of grace" verse says so.

950 posted on 04/07/2008 8:10:55 PM PDT by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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implied...I don’t see what other conclusion

Several years ago, I listened to Christian radio a lot. One of the teachers was Chuck Swindoll, a well-known author and pastor. I quit listening to his sermons, because he read between the lines and because he assigned emotion. Since I was hungry for good teaching, I could not allow myself the wandering away from what the plain text said - no implications, no personal conclusions, no reading between the lines, and no reading of emotions into the text.

951 posted on 04/08/2008 6:30:01 AM PDT by suzyjaruki (Why?)
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