Posted on 04/01/2008 4:23:02 PM PDT by NYer
Even the devil can quote scripture.
A show of hands is irrelevant because a lowercase expression of the word “chick” is clearly distinct from the capitalized expression of the proper noun “Jack Chick.”
Young female H. Sapiens. No question. He who shall not be named had not even entered my mind. RM post was a non sequitur.
I know, bro’.
The actual words were:
On the contrary, referring to Mary as "Mother of God" elevates Jesus Christ.
(here.)
No mention of elevating Him to Godhead.
At no extra charge I will, no doubt needlessly, say what I think they meant after saying that they did NOT mean that Mary elevated Jesus to Godhead.
They were I think a Reader's Digest summary of the Nestorian Controversy which really pertains to the nature and, so to speak, "timing" of the union of Divine and human natures in Jesus. The title Theotokos was debated on Christological grounds, not on Marian grounds simpliciter.
Likewise in the version of the Chalcedonian Definition which I just happen to have right here, uh, somewhere, under the protein bar wrappers, move the Brigade Quartermasters catalogue, ah! Here it is ...
; ... as regards his Godhead, begotten of the Father before the ages, but yet as regards his manhood begotten, for us men and for our salvation, of Mary the Virgin, The God-Bearer; one and the same Christ, ....The question is, what WAS that in Mary's womb, to which the intrauterine John the Baptist responded? Or, in other words, how shall we think and talk about the union of natures in Christ? If from conception it was one Person with two natures, then, well, theotokos seems to apply. We would say, with Ephesus and Chalcedon, that the notion that the Divine nature was somehow infused into Jesus or He was "adopted" would imply a lower VIEW or OPINION of Him than the notion that from the git-go He was God and man. Therefore, the implication is that acknowledging the title "theotokos" implies an "Elevated" notion of what Jesus is.
it is an unfortunate use of language that ww speak of elevating X when we mean adopting a "higher" concept of X. It is our thoughts that are elevated.
The question of intercession of saints I'd prefer to leave until later. One bloody (adjective of quality, not cussing) dispute at a time ...
And peace to you.
In related news, the Presbyterian John MacQuarrie once wrote a little essay justifying the translation of Theotokos as "mother of God". Please don't ask me to find it.
So, you admit being new to these threads?
Me too.
And although I have seen a few of He Who Shall Not Be Named’s tracks, I find them at best unintelligible, and at worst hatefilled. That is NEVER the way to win people to Christ.
I just received a piece of offensive freepmail on this topic.
I reserve the right to post offensive freepmail on the thread which generated it .
I have not decided whether to exercise that right.
Post it.
Such things should not be able to rely on the benefit of law.
Please note the smile on my face. 8~)
"Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am GOD, and there is none else." -- Isaiah 45:22 "For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus" -- 1 Timothy 2:5
No whining. No crying. No expletives. No curses. No name-calling. Just the glory of God's own word.
"None other."
Me too. I bet it was from the same FReeper.
“Refute her, then, with scripture, as Jesus did Satan.”
I can, but I have Adoration now which means I will sit before the Eucharist in Silence and Prayer and Worship Jesus Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity for an hour.
Refute her? That’s simple enough. I have more than enough Scriptural background to do so.
I simply don’t see the point since this has been done over and over and over.
Intractable ignorance and willful blindness is a deception that only prayer can help. Only prayer.
Peace.
Send it to me, I’ll post it.
I’m DYING here!
Not hardly. Been here since 2001.
As in, "They don't know jack peep."
ROFL!
I read it.
Pretty thin gruel, really, but no doubt it’s a towering achievement for that one.
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