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To: Always Right

“Of course, as an aside, Father could ask the historical Protestants “on what basis did/do you believe you have the authority to leave the Church, and reject apostolic succession?” This line of questioning (IMO) would lead to constructive criticism of those churches which hold to solA scriptura”

By the same Authority that Christ himself broke with and denounced the religious authorities of his day, by pointing out the hypocrisy of their lives in line with what Moses and the prophets had actually written in the old testament(sola scriptura argument), not by what talmudic traditions had taught.

When the Catholic Church suffered its biggest schisms via the Reformation, it was in a sinful state. The “shepherd” had been struck through her own sin and arrogance, would you not expect the sheep to scatter and attempt to gather around its strongest remaining Rams?!!


27 posted on 03/27/2008 5:25:16 AM PDT by mdmathis6
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To: mdmathis6
Yet, in the Old Testament, we read time and again of the apostasy of both the priests and the kings. But, having been put in place originally by God Himself, the Levites, the Aaronic priesthood and the high priesthood itself carried-on in terms of legitimate succession. The sins of the fathers, in other words, did not militate against the "authenticity" of the various forms of the priesthood, nor did the kingship become illegitimate via the apostasy of any given king. In similar fashion, the Catholic Church, while it has weathered the storms of scandal and inconsistency of vocation more than once over its 2000-year history, continues in its line of succession and mission, having been instituted in the first place by Christ Himself. A dirty plate simply needs to be cleaned, not smashed.

Furthermore, your example falls short, on the grounds that, from all eternity, Jesus knew that He would be establishing a new covenant in His blood, and the Law, which had hitherto sufficed, would now be replaced by Grace, won for us on the Cross. A new order had to be instituted accordingly, and the old order, now rendered insufficient for anyone's salvation, not just that of the Jews, was to pass away. Besides, on a relative scale, the Jews of Christ's time were much more faithful to the God of Abraham - even taking into account their hypocrisies - than their forebears before the Exile were, so it wasn't so much on the basis of widespread infidelity that Jesus supplanted their rule.

43 posted on 03/27/2008 10:55:23 AM PDT by magisterium
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