[papertyger]

Yes- 'the Elders AMONG you'. Not over you.

And we beseech you, brethren, to know them which labor among you, and are over you in the Lord, and admonish you; And to esteem them very highly in love for their work's sake.

1Thes 5:12-13

At what point does the descriptor "stiff-necked" or "rebellious" become appropriate?

[Quix]

Yes- ‘the Elders AMONG you’. Not over you.

And we beseech you, brethren, to know them which labor among you, and are over you in the Lord, and admonish you; And to esteem them very highly in love for their work’s sake.

1Thes 5:12-13

At what point does the descriptor “stiff-necked” or “rebellious” become appropriate?

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INDEED.

Thx

[ovrtaxt]

See my post 439 for clarification.

[ovrtaxt]

By the way, I also recognize the Apostolic authority due to one who plants a church- but if you truly follow Paul’s model, it doesn’t look anything like what we see in most churches today.