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To: xone
Do you agree with these statements upthread? If so, I submit you have much bigger problems than the sabbath observance commandment.

There is certainly a holy spirit, but the holy spirit IN SCRIPTURE is never pictured in the Godhead in heaven. Ever. For example:

Joh 1:1 In the beginning the Word already existed. The Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Joh 1:2 He was already with God in the beginning.

No person called "holy spirit" there.

Rev 7:10 And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb.
Rev 7:11 And all the angels stood round about the throne, and about the elders and the four beasts, and fell before the throne on their faces, and worshiped God,

No acknowledgment of a person called "the holy spirit" in heaven.

Throughout the bible, in glimpse after glimpse of the heavenly Godhead, we see the father and the son, but never a separate person called "the holy spirit."

Dan 7:13 I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him. Dan 7:14 And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed.

The concept of the trinity as many embrace it today is an invention of man. It's not biblical and it's not what Jesus or the first Christians believed or embraced.

The only problem I have is that not a lot of people bother to read the bible, much less believe it, so it's hard to show them the truth.

134 posted on 03/18/2008 6:49:09 PM PDT by DouglasKC
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To: DouglasKC
,Joh 1:1 In the beginning the Word already existed. The Word was with God, and the Word was God. Joh 1:2 He was already with God in the beginning.,

This is Jesus.

No acknowledgment of a person called "the holy spirit" in heaven

John 14: 15"If you love me, you will obey what I command. 16And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another Counselor to be with you forever— 17the Spirit of truth. The world cannot accept him because it neither sees him nor knows him. But you know him, for he lives with you and will be[a] in you.

John 15: 26"When the Counselor comes, whom I will send to you from the Father, the Spirit of truth who goes out from the Father, he will testify about me. 27And you also must testify, for you have been with me from the beginning.

Acts 2 1When the day of Pentecost came, they were all together in one place. 2Suddenly a sound like the blowing of a violent wind came from heaven and filled the whole house where they were sitting. 3They saw what seemed to be tongues of fire that separated and came to rest on each of them. 4All of them were filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak in other tongues[a] as the Spirit enabled them.

Genesis 1 2 Now the earth was [a] formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters. Throughout the bible, in glimpse after glimpse of the heavenly Godhead, we see the father and the son, but never a separate person called "the holy spirit."

In the passages from John. Looks like the Spirit was in heaven with the Father

136 posted on 03/18/2008 7:29:08 PM PDT by xone
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To: DouglasKC
Do you agree with these statements upthread? You commented on the Holy Spirit as far as the Trinity, how about the rest?

There are two Gods, the Father and the Son. In my mind, the jury is out on the Spirit. In some places it has its own will and goes where it pleases, in others it is sent by Jesus.'

142 posted on 03/18/2008 8:47:39 PM PDT by xone
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