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To: Dr. Eckleburg; sandyeggo; Quix; blue-duncan; Lord_Calvinus; wmfights; Uncle Chip; ...
I invite you to show me that the American government (with her own interned Japanese-Americans) led by FDR did not also have the same malevolent intent you insist on assigning to Pope Pius XII.

This is ridiculous to even try and compare the two actions. FDR is a leader of a nation dealing with a potential security problem and not enough security personal to adequately screen those that are a potential risk. The other is a religious leader who is in theory supposed to give a loud voice for Christian beliefs and values.

The USA in the end put her greatest treasure at risk and lost 100's of thousands ending the tyranny of both the Nazi's and Japanese. It appears to me that it is the inability of the RC's to admit error in their church's behavior that now leads them to question the integrity of the USA to deflect criticism. It's time to get some perspective.

All Christian churches failed. Now maybe we learn from it, but it doesn't seem likely with the appeasement we see in the WOT.

916 posted on 03/18/2008 7:47:13 PM PDT by wmfights (Believe - THE GOSPEL - and be saved)
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To: wmfights; sandyeggo; Petronski; Campion
All Christian churches failed.

I think all here agree that more could have been done by all churches, but that isn’t what’s under discussion, is it? The discussion has been focused recently on the actions/failures of a single person, Pacelli/Pius XII.

Some of the condemnations being advanced on this thread and others on FR about Pacelli/Pius XII are:

However, the facts presented here and elsewhere show that none of these are true. We have the testimony of thousands of Jews that the Pope helped them. We know as fact that Pius XII was responsible for saving the of lives thousands of Jews.

That assassination of his character did not start until after his death (and there is evidence that the initiation of this effort was aided by the Soviets). It is also noted that those here who are so quick to throw stones at Pacelli/Pius XII have yet to detail the actions of the leaders of their own denomination to save the Jews.

Those here who are defending the reputation of Pacelli/Pius XII are not saying that his actions were perfect or that he could not have done more, based on 20/20 hindsight, but rather that he is not guilty of the bullet points above. The facts presented here and in other threads are on our side.

So, here is chance for you to stand up, WM. Are you going to stand on the side of Christian charity or are you going to stand with the stone throwers who are out to destroy the reputation of a man?

936 posted on 03/19/2008 6:23:46 AM PDT by Titanites
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