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To: ConservativeMind

Nope. Didn’t say that. Nice try tho.

By the way, the article referenced has nothing to say about excommunication, Hitler’s religion, or purgatory. It IS a proposal that Martin Luther created an environment that made Nazism possible or probable. I’d be interested in your well thought out refutations of the authors points. Right now all I can figure is you have none, as evidenced by your, and others, efforts to throw up as many straw men as you can to avoid the topic of the article.


104 posted on 03/15/2008 12:51:39 PM PDT by big'ol_freeper ("...millions hate what they mistakenly think that the Catholic Church is." ~ Archbishop Fulton Sheen)
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To: big'ol_freeper

This is interesting seeing as it was written at the time:

“the last war and throughout the present one, the Germans have committed atrocities which are impossible to imagine by those who have merely read or heard about them. This is not teaching hatred, but an undeniable though most unpleasant fact. Not once in either war has any section of the Lutheran clergy protested—such as have the churches of Norway and other occupied countries where the Gestapo is at least as strong as inside Germany. With the exception of a few refugee pastors in Britain, I do not know of any section of the German Protestant Confessional Church whose pastors have refused to preach, to serve, to ordain and bless the atrocities and horrors committed by the German armies and their leaders.

These facts are unpleasant and horrible. I maintain that we can understand them and explain them only if we look at the dark figure from whom the German Lutheran clergy has for four centuries taken their orders: Martin Luther. Do not defy the authorities even if they are unjust, worship war, murder and slay the enemy, pray for a German God, exterminate the Jews, praise the authorities—all this, as I tried to show, was first preached by Luther, and has been propagated ever since from Lutheran pulpits and universities...”


109 posted on 03/15/2008 12:58:03 PM PDT by OpusatFR
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“I myself went to a Lutheran school in Berlin. We had Lutheran teachers, and 99 per cent of the boys were Lutheran. We celebrated every year “Luther Day”. Throughout my school life in Germany Luther was shown to us as a great man fighting for freedom, tolerance, independence—the man who exclaimed, “Here I stand, I cannot do otherwise, May God help me, Amen!” Luther, the honest, cheerful, decent German who fought a corrupted, immoral Rome. Luther, who proclaimed the advent of the modern world; Luther, honoured by Protestants everywhere—the hero of Germany and the Protestant world.

This view was maintained by all scholars, as I said, until the end of last century. Every Protestant saw in Martin Luther almost a demigod, and any views to the contrary were put forward by Catholics who were guided more by emotion and dislike...”

Kinder, Kurche, Kuchen are culturally Germanic Protestant.
Very Hitler.


114 posted on 03/15/2008 1:00:21 PM PDT by OpusatFR
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To: big'ol_freeper
Can you name what sins seemingly excommunicate people from the Catholic church and what sins keeps one in the Catholic church?

By the way, it appears all sins keep people in the Catholic church, according to Campion.

182 posted on 03/15/2008 2:39:08 PM PDT by ConservativeMind
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