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To: NYer
their tremendous social outreach ministries to the poor and needy of the city

I would be very interested in hearing more detail on this -- a theme that recurs in stories about this "parish" but with no detail. Color me skeptical -- my own observation has been that the left is more into self-congratulation and government agencies and feel-good cr@p that benefits no one than they go for actual charity. Maybe these people are the exception, but I'd really like to know more.

8 posted on 03/04/2008 1:30:12 PM PST by maryz
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Indeed. I see a lot of white, middle-class people in that moblet - I don’t see any of the poor and homeless in their “gathering place.”


14 posted on 03/04/2008 1:54:07 PM PST by wideawake (Why is it that those who call themselves Constitutionalists know the least about the Constitution?)
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Color me skeptical -- my own observation has been that the left is more into self-congratulation and government agencies and feel-good cr@p that benefits no one than they go for actual charity.

Excellent observation! In the more 'progressive' dioceses (though here it is limited to 2 parishes), the emphasis is on feeding the poor. The Rochester and Albany NY dioceses are rife with these outreach programs while their parishes are now being turned over to Lay Ecclesial Ministers, just like St. Stephen's. There is no bishop to reel them in for these liturgical abuses. If anything, the bishop is supportive. Bottom line - the more lay involvement, the greater the level of abuse. These folks are not trained in liturgy; they do what the "think" or "believe" or "feel" is 'What Jesus would do!'.

25 posted on 03/04/2008 4:04:09 PM PST by NYer ("Where the bishop is present, there is the Catholic Church" - Ignatius of Antioch)
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