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Posted on 02/28/2008 4:40:37 PM PST by Alex Murphy
NEW YORK, N.Y. (Catholic League) - Yesterday, Senator John McCain said he was “very honored by Pastor John Hagee’s endorsement.”
The Republican presidential hopeful also called Hagee “the staunchest leader of our Christian evangelical movement,” citing the minister’s pro-Israel stance.
Catholic League president Bill Donohue addressed this today:
“There are plenty of staunch evangelical leaders who are pro-Israel, but are not anti-Catholic. John Hagee is not one of them. Indeed, for the past few decades, he has waged an unrelenting war against the Catholic Church.
For example, he likes calling it ‘The Great Whore,’ an ‘apostate church,’ the ‘anti-Christ,’ and a ‘false cult system.’ To hear the bigot in his own words, click here. http://youtube.com/watch?v=uViQ0hVV57Q
Note: he isn’t talking about the Buddhists.
“In Hagee’s latest book, Jerusalem Countdown, he calls Hitler a Catholic who murdered Jews while the Catholic Church did nothing. ‘The sell-out of Catholicism to Hitler began not with the people but with the Vatican itself,’ he writes.
“For the record, Hitler persecuted the Catholic Church and was automatically excommunicated in 1931—two years before he assumed power—when he acted as best man at Joseph Goebbel’s Protestant wedding. Hitler even bragged about his separation from the Church.
As for doing nothing about the Holocaust, Sir Martin Gilbert reminds us that Goebbels denounced Pope Pius XII for his 1942 Christmas message criticizing the Nazis (the New York Times lauded the pope for doing so in an editorial for two years in a row).
Much to Hagee’s chagrin, Gilbert also says that Pius XII saved three quarters of the Jews in Rome, and that more Jews were saved proportionately in Catholic countries than Protestant countries. Indeed, Israeli diplomat Pinchas Lapide credited the Catholic Church with saving 860,000 Jews. No religion can match that.
(Excerpt) Read more at catholic.org ...
Also, contrary to what you might think, I don't have any children.
Any of us can yell "out of context." The important part is proving that's its meaning has been obscured by its statement.
"Be not afraid; only believe." -- Mark 5:36
What's so confusing about that simple declarative sentence that prevents you from understanding it?
And yet, you said it. 8~)
"Hear now this, O foolish people, and without understanding; which have eyes, and see not; which have ears, and hear not" -- Jeremiah 5:21
The Nazis lied, the history book distorted by anti-Catholic hate deceives and photos of unknown provenance are exploited by Tito’s anti-Catholic intelligence service to slander His Church.
And YOU believe all that and post it here as true.
Merely underlining your mistake, but you are completely free (or elect if you prefer) to continue.
Apparently grave error can be a predestiny too.
Comments from the website...
(After the publication of Hitler's Pope, the Vatican went on a virtual crusade to discredit John Cornwell; the Internet is flooded with attacks on him. In an effort to present Cornwell's side of the argument, Emperor's Clothes has posted the abridged pre-publication version of Hitler's Pope, which appeared in 1999 in the magazine, Vanity Fair.)
The entire book is avaiable in hardback, paperback and ebooks.
You're still not showing us where you have a problem with the simple, declarative sentence of Christ.
Most definitely. The deceived and the deceiver are His.
Godwin’s law
I have done so.
So are Mein Kampf, the Little Red Book, and The Protocols of the Elders of Zion.
That is appeals to the faith of the ruler of the synagogue, while it is his daughter who is being saved while being seemingly dead, and without exhibiting any faith at all. It is not a prooftext for sola fide, "doctor".
excuse me for jumping in, but on a different thread we had a long discussion about baptism and no one mentioned baptismal grace. What is this?
It is the sanctifying grace that is received during baptism, which cleanses the original sin as well as, in an adult, the personal sins that have been committed.
Cornwell, a Roman Catholic, set out to write a book that was flattering to Pacelli. Why else would the Vatican give him permission to view "secret documents" that remain closed to the public to this day?
However, during Cornwell's research, he uncovered the unsavory truth that most Jews and most of the world have known all along. The evidence speaks for itself.
Read the book and find out for yourself.
See, William, this is why the infant baptism of Presbyterian and Methodist and Congregational and Episcopalian and Lutheran services is nothing like that in the RCC.
Baptism does not cleanse away sin. Christ accomplished that for us on the cross. Saving grace is not imparted during baptism. No one is regenerated at baptism. Each of us, if God wills, is regenerated at a time of God's choosing. Some might have this occur to them when they're fairly young. Some, like the thief on the cross, have this happen to them when they are about to die. God determines the time we will understand what He has already done for us. That's when the Holy Spirit makes His indwelling presence known to us. That's when we realize we have belonged to God spiritually all along.
The fact remains the names of the elect were determined by God not when they are baptized as infants or as adults, but from before the foundation of the world, before they could do anything good or evil (Romans 9:11). As Sproul said, men do not choose to believe; men are chosen to believe because God has named them as His family from all eternity.
If by grace we mean a sense of closer union with God and a greater awareness of the gifts He gives to His children from the first day of their lives, then this grace is present during the Lord's Supper and at our baptism.
But saving grace is given by God according to His decree established from before the foundation of the world -- not when our infants are admitted into the congregation or when we get around to making a public proclamation of our faith.
This is the truth the world conspires to keep from Christians -- that they are not saved because they wish it so, but because God has made it so. No king but Christ.
Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will, To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved." -- Ephesians 1:4-6"According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:
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