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To: magisterium; hosepipe
As they are commonly understood today? Yes. Especially Sola Scriptura, which denies the authority of Sacred Tradition,...

That's interesting. I happen to be reading Miller's Church History, I see it reference from time to time so I thought it might be good to look at, and on pg 380 came across a note about a man named Clement who was condemned at the synod of Soissons in March 744. He was condemned because he held to the belief that "no councils, writings, decisions of the church that are contrary to Scripture had authority over Christians".

Here is a case of a man being condemned 800 years before the date you believe Sola Scriptura emerged. The point being that belief in the 5 Solas has always been around, it's just that at various times it conflicted with the goals of the dominant church of the era.

74 posted on 02/28/2008 9:59:19 AM PST by wmfights (Believe - THE GOSPEL - and be saved)
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Provide a timeline, please, that involves the opinions of bodies of Christians, as opposed to a few scattered individuals over a 2000 year history. That there have always been a few cranks about this doctrine (or any other) I do not deny. But you will be hard-pressed to find a body of people who held to what equates to Sola Scriptura until the 16th Century. And that is the point.

And, even if you could provide a sect as evidence, you must also be able to demonstrate continuity of this doctrine back to the beginning. After all, the Arians were hardly few in number at one point, but they have a discrete point of origin on the Christian timeline. On the basis of their assertions, minus their continuity, would you be willing to assume their unique doctrinal bases were correct? Would your objection be based, in part, at least, on the non-Apostolic origin of their ideas concerning Christ's divinity?

Just so!

79 posted on 02/28/2008 10:12:41 AM PST by magisterium
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good find..


126 posted on 02/28/2008 12:00:45 PM PST by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole....)
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To: wmfights

I believe that Arius advanced pretty much the same argument. If you go back to Miller, you may see that each side claimed to represent the original teachings of the Church. Arius was in fact the one introducing novel doctrines but he could not more be convinced of that than Arius. One reason for Luther to oppose a council was that he didn’t want to be, like Arius, outmanned at a council. Instead he hid behind the German princes who opposed the council because they opposed the emperor who wanted the council.


158 posted on 02/28/2008 12:37:17 PM PST by RobbyS
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To: wmfights
Here is a case of a man being condemned (in 744), 800 years before the date you believe Sola Scriptura emerged. The point being that belief in the 5 Solas has always been around, it's just that at various times it conflicted with the goals of the dominant church of the era.

Great catch, William.

The 5 Solas have been Biblical truth from the beginning, mercifully reaffirmed by the grace of God through the Reformation.

FIVE SOLAS OF THE REFORMATION

Sola Scriptura

Soli Deo Gloria

Solo Christo

Sola Gratia

Sola Fide

161 posted on 02/28/2008 12:40:40 PM PST by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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