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To: Alamo-Girl
God is the Light. Indeed, you ar correct. But He identifies Himself with the Church He established. He said to Saul of Tarsus: "Saul, Saul, why do you persecute me?" Did Saul persecute Christ directly? No. Jesus had ascended to Heaven years before. Saul was persecuting the Church, yet Jesus equates that to the persecution of Himself directly!

Since you pinged me, you must have already read my post #50, which is where I came into the discussion. Would you care to elaborate on how doctrines only 500 years old are what Christ intended, while doctrines clearly traceable (especially through the Early Fathers' expositions and sermons on Scripture and Tradition) all the way back to the Apostolic Age are "self-evidently" not of His will?

Indeed, just as Jesus identified the persecutors of His Church as those who would persecute Him, so too, if the Church is identifiable with Christ, and is the "pillar and bulwark of the truth" (1Timothy 3:15), those who resist the Church's authentic teaching are no less persecutors of Christ. Certainly this is so at least at the point when they are aware of the suspicion that those doctrines are, in fact, correct,and they fail nevrtheless to embrace them. They are, in the same deliberate action, failing to embrace Christ! Even when a person denies authentic doctrine with absolutely no malice, under an invincible ignorance concerning them, he or she is still objectively in error, and thwarts the proper establishment of the Kingdom. That God might not hold such truly ignorant people at fault is hardly consolation to them after their deaths, when they find out the true impact of their "well-intentioned" actions.

70 posted on 02/28/2008 9:55:22 AM PST by magisterium
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To: magisterium
In the off chance it wasn't clear, my reply to your post 70 is post 78.
87 posted on 02/28/2008 10:37:19 AM PST by Alamo-Girl
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