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To: wmfights; phatus maximus; blue-duncan; Claud

I think if you look at Acts 10:44-47 and especially Acts 11:15-17 you will see the Holy Spirit descend upon believers prior to baptism and in Acts 15:7-11 that God gave the Holy Spirit because they believed The Gospel not being baptized.

Respectfully...I have not made that distinction nor do I deny the Holy Spirit can descend upon those who confess prior to Baptism. That is not what we are talking about, however. We are discussing infant baptism. Do you deny the Holy Spirit can descend upon those baptized prior to confessing their belief? If so, I dare say that perspective quite limits the authority and power of the Holy Spirit and I for one will not go there.

Blessings.


515 posted on 03/01/2008 8:40:09 AM PST by phatus maximus (John 6:29...Learn it, love it, live it...)
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To: phatus maximus; blue-duncan; Claud
Do you deny the Holy Spirit can descend upon those baptized prior to confessing their belief?

No. I think any public profession of Faith, or act such as baptism, is done after a completed act.

We are discussing infant baptism.

The difference here is the individual being baptized is making no decision to do so, or any pronouncement of Faith. In addition it is being claimed that the actual act is imparting Grace. In the adult application the Holy Spirit has already indwelt the believer and the believer has a desire to be baptized and no claim of Grace being imparted by the act is made.

It really goes back to do you believe that believing The Gospel is sufficient for salvation, or is something more required? IOW an ordinance versus a sacrament.

518 posted on 03/01/2008 9:14:26 AM PST by wmfights (Believe - THE GOSPEL - and be saved)
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