Rapture On A Jewish Feast Day?

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[Jo Nuvark]

Q. Some Prophecy Teachers today teach that the Feast of Trumpets will be the future Jewish feast that the Church is raptured on.They also hold to the view of imminency. 2 Prophecy Teachers I know teach that the Church is not bound by the Jewish festivals meaning Christ could come on any old day.

Why would God (Jesus)have all the types and shadows of Rapture, Resurection, and Judgement evident in a couple of jewish feast days and then Rapture the Church any old day?

[Jo Nuvark]

A. The most direct answer to your question is that the timing of the Rapture is a secret. Therefore it can't be connected to any other specific event of the End Times, whether Jewish or Gentile.

Personally I think it's a number specific event rather than a date specific one. What I mean by that is according to Romans 11:25 there seems to be a predetermined number of believers for the Church and when that number is reached the age of the Church is over. The Greek word translated fullness, or full number, comes from a nautical term meaning the size of crew necessary for a ship to sail. Before it was reached the ship couldn't sail, and any extra was surplus. The one translated "come in" means to arrive at a destination. So by his choice of words, I believe Paul was talking about the Rapture.

No one knows what that number is, or how close we are to reaching it, but theoretically the very next person who gives his or her heart to the Lord could complete the church's membership. If so, the rapture would occur. Therefore, it could happen any day.

All of the Seven Levitical Feasts are thought to have both a historical and a prophetic fulfillment. Passover, Unleavened Bread and First Fruits were all fulfilled in the Lord's 1st coming. I believe The Feast of Trumpets will be fulfilled by the 2nd Coming, Tabernacles by the Millennium, and Yom Kippur by the Great White Throne judgment.

That leaves Pentecost. Some believe it was fulfilled in the birth of the Church, and some see and End Times fulfillment yet to come. (If the Rapture does take place on a Jewish Feast day, Pentecost is a much more likely candidate than Trumpets.) But to tie the Rapture to any known event is to destroy the Doctrine of Imminence, something many in the Church hold dear to their hearts.

[Jo Nuvark]

Feast of Trumpets (RAPTURE) Ping!

[cva66snipe]

But the Second Coming where Christ returns to earth we can literally mark it down on the calendar once specific events begin. The Second Coming is an established literal number of days from the beginning of Israel's 7 year treaty with the anti-Christ. The calling out of the believers occurs from the heavens and believers {The Bride} are called up. This date can not be known as only the Father of the Groom can say it is ready bring forth the Bride. The rapture is seen as happening before the treaty is signed.

I believed Christ used the parables of weddings and the wedding feast and bride groom for that purpose. The parable of ten virgins for example. Five were prepared and waiting Five were not and we're left behind.

I believe GOD will call out the believers before the tribulation hits. He called Noah into the ark, he called Israel out of Egypt, His Son was sent into Egypt and called back, Lot was called out of Soddom and Gomorah. There is no real reason to think there is not a calling out. But believers must be prepared for what ever is GOD's will though.

[Shelayne]

Personally I think it's a number specific event rather than a date specific one. What I mean by that is according to Romans 11:25 there seems to be a predetermined number of believers for the Church and when that number is reached the age of the Church is over. The Greek word translated fullness, or full number, comes from a nautical term meaning the size of crew necessary for a ship to sail. Before it was reached the ship couldn't sail, and any extra was surplus. The one translated "come in" means to arrive at a destination. So by his choice of words, I believe Paul was talking about the Rapture.

I heard Greg Laurie referring to this a while back, and something he said really struck me. He said that no one knows when that time will come--that the last believer to come to Christ could be the one that YOU are talking to. He said something like, "How COOL would that be? You are sharing the gospel with someone, they totally see the Truth and as you are praying with that person * POOF * you both are caught up to be with Jesus!

It really made me think of how precious the Gospel of Christ really is.

BTW, thanks for the PING!

[MHGinTN]

Thank you for the ping!

[Uri’el-2012]

bttt

[topcat54]

I think this is what Paul had in mind when he warned about getting caught up in “Jewish fables” (Titus 1:14).

[Uri’el-2012]

I think this is what Paul had in mind when he warned about getting caught up in “Jewish fables” (Titus 1:14).

I don't believe that Sha'ul would ever construe the written Holy Word of Elohim as a Jewish fable.

b'SHEM Yah'shua

[topcat54]

But this is not about the Word of God, but rather conjecture about old covenant feast days and the second coming. Paul was very much concerned about the judaizing of the gospel message, and especially the burden of confusing law and grace especially to former gentiles who converted to the faith . That could well be the Jewish fable portion.

[Das Outsider]

Thanks for the ping, Mrs. D'Arc! ;)

I think that all of our redeemed Christian friends need to remember that today may be the day when they meet the Lord. Perhaps tomorrow, perhaps next year. Whether or not that coincides with Christ's Second Coming is known only to God; we each have our own appointed day.

Let us be prepared today for tomorrow. May we live every day as such, longing for the Lord's return.

[Das Outsider]

I believe GOD will call out the believers before the tribulation hits. He called Noah into the ark, he called Israel out of Egypt, His Son was sent into Egypt and called back, Lot was called out of Soddom and Gomorah. There is no real reason to think there is not a calling out. But believers must be prepared for what ever is GOD's will though.

You've brought up a good point, cva. References in both Old and New Testament refer to the wicked perishing and the righteous surviving, not the other way round.

Even a good Boy Scout knows this: Be prepared. The Lord has determined when he will return, and he urges us to be ready, even if it doesn't occur in our lifetime. Perhaps there's a double meaning there.

[Uri’el-2012]

[topcat54]

About as substantive and informative as a Jack Chick tract.

[Das Outsider]

About as substantive and informative as a Jack Chick tract.

The sensationalism that you've mentioned does the orthodox Christian faith no good.

Sola Gratia, Sola Fide, Solus Christus, Sola Scriptura, Soli Deo Gloria!

[DouglasKC]

When looking at the Lord's Holy Days one can certainly see how that major events in the bible occur on feast days. For example, the holy spirit was given and Christ's church occurred on Pentecost. Christ was killed on Passover.

The fall feast days do indeed picture future events in roughly the order they occur. For example, the feast of trumpets is the first of the fall feast days. It indeed pictures the 2nd coming of Christ:

1Th 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

1Co 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

Rev 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded (his trumpet); and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign forever and ever.

Atonement, the next of the fall feast, pictures the putting away of Satan after the return of Christ:

Rev 20:1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
Rev 20:2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
Rev 20:3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

Compare this to the ceremony held on Atonement listed in Leviticus 16.

Tabernacles does indeed picture the millennium, but there seems to be a separate sabbath that occurs on the 8th day after the 7 days of the feast of tabernacles:

Lev 23:36 Seven days ye shall offer an offering made by fire unto the LORD: on the eighth day shall be a holy convocation unto you; and ye shall offer an offering made by fire unto the LORD: it is a solemn assembly; and ye shall do no servile work therein.

Lev 23:39 Also in the fifteenth day of the seventh month, when ye have gathered in the fruit of the land, ye shall keep a feast unto the LORD seven days: on the first day shall be a sabbath, and on the eighth day shall be a sabbath.

Joh 7:37 In the last day, that great day of the feast, Jesus stood and cried, saying, If any man thirst, let him come unto me, and drink.

Because of the way it's worded here, many refer to this as the "last great day". It pictures the great white throne judgment which occurs after the millennium.

For more information: God's Holy Day Plan

[Jo Nuvark]

Thank you all for your comments. I’ve learned a
lot and appreciate your thoughts. Sorry I wasn’t
able to host the thread after I posted. I was called
away to a project. Please forgive.

It’s very exciting to think that Jesus could return
any minute and that yes, we could be praying with
the last one ... THE one God has been waiting to hear
say “YES”!!!. Keep doing the work of an evangelist.
Don’t give up. Occupy until He returns.

I liked what DO said about being ready. Jesus
could return at any time. Maybe today! Look up.

[Das Outsider]

I liked what DO said about being ready. Jesus could return at any time. Maybe today! Look up.

The most important part is to look towards Jesus Christ and his work on the Cross. Keep living with the Cross at the forefront of your mind. We're going to meet with the Lord one way or the other, right?

"Amen. Come, Lord Jesus. The grace of the Lord Jesus be with God's people. Amen."

(Revelation 22:20-21, NIV)

[wsopne777]

Paul I shew you a mystery..Not I give you a riddle

1 Corinthians 15:51-52
51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,

When will this happen? He tells you

52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
KJV

at the last trump......

Always blown on rosh hashanah

Jesus fulfilled the Spring Feast, and God is not a God that he should change.....why would he change?

Ecclesiastes 1:9
9 The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun.
KJV

The Bible says that history always repeats itself.......