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To: MHGinTN
OTOH, in Romans we read:

Romans 10:14:

"How then shall they call on Him in whom they have not believed? And how shall they believe in Him of whom they have not heard? And how shall they hear without a preacher?"

and in continuing:

16 But not all the Israelites accepted the good news. For Isaiah says, "Lord, who has believed our message?" 17 Consequently, faith comes from hearing the message, and the message is heard through the word of Christ. 18 But I ask: Did they not hear? Of course they did:

"Their voice has gone out into all the earth,
their words to the ends of the world."
19 Again I ask: Did Israel not understand? First, Moses says,
"I will make you envious by those who are not a nation;
I will make you angry by a nation that has no
understanding."
20 And Isaiah boldly says,

"I was found by those who did not seek me;
I revealed myself to those who did not ask for me
."

927 posted on 02/24/2008 11:57:13 AM PST by nicmarlo (A vote for McRino is a false mandate for McShamnesty)
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To: nicmarlo

Can you tell me the where/when Jesus exited the tomb to? Can you tell me the where/when from whence Jesus came to join the disciples in the upper room after His resurrection? I can show you in the Bible how one becomes the Bride of Christ. Can you show me how one becomes a guset at the wedding feast in Heaven and not be ‘the Bride’?... God has a means by which He decides whom that list of guests includes. Can you tell me the criteria of that list?


928 posted on 02/24/2008 12:01:36 PM PST by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: nicmarlo
Wow, I sure am getting a lot of freepmail! Please, folks, I have not said that works save anyone. The teaching of Paul in Galatians could not be more plain and stand in any more contrast to the specious teaching of James, whose message deosn't even mention Jesus Christ and is directed to the Jews!

Anty deed one does has a source for the impetus. If the heart is dark, acts of love and grace will not flow forth, though amny seemilngly 'good works' may be in evidnece. We have seen how such works are a source of pride to Mormonism adherents, as they have been taught to 'do all that they can do' to become worthy of what God intends to be received ONLY as a Gift else it is not Grace one receives but wages (according to the Apostle Paul).

The issue I thought I was addressing is related to the guests at the wedding feast. God has a means by which He measures the hearts of those who have never rejected the Gospel of God's Grace in Christ, for whatever reason that occurs. With millions and millions, prior to the birth fo Jesus only a very few could understand what this Grace entailed. Since the crucifixion of Jesus and the Resurrection, literally billions have been born and died without hearing the Gospel Goodnews of Grace in Christ.

Let's take a thought experiment: knowing the life lived by Stalin or Hitler, what is the liklihood that either of those evil men would accept with humility the Authority of Christ? Knowing the life of Pope John Paul, what is the liklihood that he accepted the authority of Christ? If we are given the extreme contrasts, even we can see that there is some measuring system by which God will separate the wheat and tares, the goats and sheep. But the measuring is not simple as we would like to believe for those not at the extremes. Yet we may be absolutely certain in our faith that God has a means by which He measures and applies the Blood of THE ONLY RIGHTEOUS ONE. No one will be in Heaven, as Bride or wedding guest unless God has applied The Blood of Christ for Grace to them.

932 posted on 02/24/2008 12:31:06 PM PST by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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