In your many posts accusing others of being "a natural man", are you then accusing them of being in a "fallen state"? And by comparison, are you saying YOU are saved? Hmmmmm!
Now, now, resty hasn’t done all that she can do yet ...
Natural man is in a fallen state. Your statement, resty.
In your many posts accusing others of being “a natural man”, are you then accusing them of being in a “fallen state”? And by comparison, are you saying YOU are saved? Hmmmmm!
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Those scriptures I gave pretty much describes the degrees of what I said.
Gal 5 (behavior of the natural man)
19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
Even when man is sarcastic or get mean towards another or try to spin another ones words that is the natural man state.
The Holy Spirit is unable to visit or dwell in a vessels like that.
1 Cor. 2: 14
14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned
James 1: 23
23 For if any be a hearer of the word, and not a doer, he is like unto a man beholding his natural face in a glass:
D&C 67: 12
12 Neither can any natural man abide the presence of God, neither after the carnal mind.
Mosiah 3: 19
19 For the natural man is an enemy to God, and has been from the fall of Adam, and will be, forever and ever, unless he yields to the enticings of the Holy Spirit, and putteth off the natural man and becometh a saint through the atonement of Christ the Lord, and becometh as a child, submissive, meek, humble, patient, full of love, willing to submit to all things which the Lord seeth fit to inflict upon him, even as a child doth submit to his father.
Gal 5 (When we walk with the Lord)
22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
24 And they that are Christ’s have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.
25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.
26 Let us not be desirous of vain glory, provoking one another, envying one another
It would be good to read the Chapter for a proper context http://scriptures.lds.org/en/gal/5)
It is the atonement of Christ which when we apply allow the Lord to correct those flaws within us. we are counsel to be perfect.
1 Jn. 4:
12 No man hath seen God at any time. If we love one another, God dwelleth in us, and his love is perfected in us.
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17 Herein is our love made perfect, that we may have boldness in the day of judgment: because as he is, so are we in this world.
18 There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love.
2 Cor. 13:
9 For we are glad, when we are weak, and ye are strong: and this also we wish, even your perfection.
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11 Finally, brethren, farewell. Be perfect, be of good comfort, be of one mind, live in peace; and the God of love and peace shall be with you.
Eph. 4:
12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:
13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:
Heb. 7:
11 If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?
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19 For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God.
Alma 11:
43 The spirit and the body shall be reunited again in its perfect form; both limb and joint shall be restored to its proper frame, even as we now are at this time; and we shall be brought to stand before God, knowing even as we know now, and have a bright recollection of all our guilt.
44 Now, this restoration shall come to all, both old and young, both bond and free, both male and female, both the wicked and the righteous; and even there shall not so much as a hair of their heads be lost; but every thing shall be restored to its perfect frame, as it is now, or in the body, and shall be brought and be arraigned before the bar of Christ the Son, and God the Father, and the Holy Spirit, which is one Eternal God, to be judged according to their works, whether they be good or whether they be evil.
When we allow our selves to be worked upon through the atonement of Christ then we are striving to bring our beings up to standards or on the road to perfection and only the Jesus atonement can edify that for us as counsel give in
Mosiah 3: 19 (http://scriptures.lds.org/en/mosiah/3)
19 For the natural man is an enemy to God, and has been from the fall of Adam, and will be, forever and ever, unless he yields to the enticings of the Holy Spirit, and putteth off the natural man and becometh a saint through the atonement of Christ the Lord, and becometh as a child, submissive, meek, humble, patient, full of love, willing to submit to all things which the Lord seeth fit to inflict upon him, even as a child doth submit to his father.
http://scriptures.lds.org/en/search?search=be+ye+perfect&do=Search