Just because we get tired of responding to people who bait us, doesn’t mean there aren’t answers.
I’ve already answered no. 1.
As for teen marriages, on those days, people got married younger. My great grandmother, not a polygamous wife, was 15 or 16. It was normal. Women not married by the age of 21 were considered old maids.
Ah...yes (sort of). In regard to what salvation is and how a non-Mormon obtains it...you responded:
Posted by lady lawyer to pby
On Religion 02/22/2008 11:20:31 PM EST · 440 of 1,280
If you believe in Christ and accept his atonement in remission of your sins, you will be “saved” in the sense that you will receive a degree of “glory” in the hereafter greater than you can imagine.
In order to receive exaltation, you must do more.
And I responded to your answer with this question:
Posted by pby to lady lawyer
On Religion 02/24/2008 11:40:56 AM EST · 908 of 1,280
What happens to you if you don't believe In Christ and accept His atonement?
How do you accept His atonement...What is involved with that?
To which...you did not respond.
Do you care to respond, now?
Also...especially if your handle implies that you are truly an attorney, you know that you did not specifically answer questions 2 and 3. I did not ask about "teen marriages". I asked:
2. Does polygamous marriage, with teenage girls, constitute child abuse?
3. Did Joseph Smith commit child abuse in his polygamous marriages with teenage girls?
These are "yes" or "no" questions, counselor.
So...which is it - "yes" or "no"?
” Women not married by the age of 21 were considered old maids.”
http://i4m.com/think/polygamy/teen_polygamy.htm
>”In fact, look up the marriage ages in the Smith family before polygamy. You’ll find that one of the Smith girls was 19. The rest of them, and their sisters-in-law, were in their early 20s when they married. The Smith boys’ first wives were in their 20s. The same pattern was true for the various branches of my family and the rest of American society at the time.
On the extremely rare occasions women younger than 17 married, it was to men close to their same age, not 15 to 20 years older.
The case is even true in pioneer Utah among first marriages. Mormon men in their twenties started out marrying someone their own age. Then later these older men married girls under twenty to be their plural wives. But the first wives were the age of the husband and married over the age of twenty. This is still the case is the rural Utah polygamist communities.”<
References:
Coale and Zelnik assume a mean age of marriage for white women of 20 (1963: 37). Sanderson’s assumptions are consistent with a mean of 19.8 years (Sanderson 1979: 343). The Massachusetts family reconstitutions revealed somewhat higher mean ages. For Hingham, Smith reports an age at first marriage of 23.7 at the end of the eighteenth century (1972: Table 3, p. 177). For Sturbridge, the age for a comparable group was 22.46 years (Osterud and Fulton 1976: Table 2, p. 484), and in Franklin County it was 23.3 years (Temkin-Greener, H., and A.C. Swedlund. 1978. Fertility Transition in the Connecticut Valley:1740-1850. Population Studies 32 (March 1978):27-41.: Table 6, p. 34).
Jack Larkin, The Reshaping of Everyday Life, 1790-1840 (New York: Harper & Row, 1988), 63; Laurel Thatcher Ulrich, Good Wives: Image and Reality in the Lives of Women in Northern New England, 1650-1750 (NY: Oxford University Press, 1980), 6; Nancy F. Cott, “Young Women in the Second Great Awakening in New England,” Feminist Studies 3 (1975): 16. Larkin writes,
Dr. Dorothy V. Whipple, Dynamics of Development: Euthenic Pediatrics (New York: McGraw-Hill, 1966)
I told you, Elsie...This is the second time, on this thread, that a Mormon has used the "tired" excuse.
ADD IT TO YOUR LIST!
And, Lady Lawyer, if you truly possess the truth, then you should be able to easily avoid "getting hooked" by providing a reasonable response to any question.
Do you have a citation that it was "normal"? Or if it was 'normal' was it because of forced arrangements like the FLDS do? BTW, Joseph Smith married Helen Mar Kimball in May 1843. He was 37 and she was 14. This is not normal by any standard of the century, he was more than old enough to be her father and already had multiple other wives at the time.