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To: SoothingDave
One can pull all kinds of things out of context. Ratzinger is not an opponent of Eucharistic Adoration, as your quote appears to imply.

Interesting. Initially, when you didn't know the source (or context), you had no problem condemning the source as a "heretic". When you learned of the source, suddenly you back off. Well, no one can accuse you of not being a "good Catholic".

Can you even imagine a "context" in which you would agree with the statement "To go to church on the ground that one can visit God who is present there is a senseless act which modern man rightfully rejects"?
259 posted on 02/22/2008 6:28:14 AM PST by armydoc
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To: armydoc
Can you even imagine a "context" in which you would agree with the statement "To go to church on the ground that one can visit God who is present there is a senseless act which modern man rightfully rejects"?

Sure, can't you?

If someone is so feeble minded that they think the only place God is present is in the Tabernacle in the local church, for example.

261 posted on 02/22/2008 6:31:56 AM PST by SoothingDave
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To: armydoc; SoothingDave

A quick Google search finds this quote all over sedevacantist sites accusing the Pope of being an heretic. It supposedly was written in 1966. No context is given. Is this an actual quote of the then, Joseph Ratzinger, or is it a quote of someone else that he refutes? Without context, who knows?

However, I did find a more recent and reliable quote of Joseph Cardinal Razinger.

“God is near. God knows us. God is waiting for us in Jesus Christ in the Blessed Sacrament. Let us not leave him waiting in vain! Let us not, through distraction and lethargy, pass by the greatest and most important thing life offers us. We should let ourselves be reminded, by today’s reading, of the wonderful mystery kept close within the walls of our churches. Let us not pass it heedlessly by. Let us take time, in the course of the week, in passing, to go in and spend a moment with the Lord who is so near. During the day our churches should not be allowed to be dead houses, standing empty and seemingly useless. Jesus Christ’s invitation is always being proffered from them. This sacred proximity to us is always alive in them. It is always calling us and inviting us in. This is what is lovely about Catholic churches, that within them there is, as it were, always worship, because the eucharistic presence of the Lord dwells always within them. (Ratzinger, God is Near Us [San Francisco, CA: Ignatius Press, 2003], p. 103)


266 posted on 02/22/2008 6:54:47 AM PST by pipeorganman
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To: armydoc

I see you already posted who this quote was from.

I googled this source and the only places I found it mentioned were from sites that do not recognize Benedict as Pope. In fact one of them supports an antipope somewhere in Montana I believe.

This quote still, to me, reeks of heresy. Thus, I am *extremely* suspicious of it and dollars to donuts it is in some fashion mistaken. Either misattributed, mistranslated, or whatever. If you can come up with an original citation, then we can talk.

At any rate, let’s suppose it is accurate. So what? You think the opinion of a theologian—*even one who later becomes Pope*—weighs more than the constant teaching of the Church for 2000 years? Even worst case scenario, Ratzinger said something heretical in 1966, it doesn’t matter one fig. What matters is what the Church says in her official capacity. The condemnations of Trent are still in force: anyone who denies the Real Presence of Christ in the Blessed Sacrament is anathema.


275 posted on 02/22/2008 8:06:48 AM PST by Claud
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To: armydoc
The comment sure looks heretical or erroneous. And its being presented outside of any context heightens, the appearance of heresy or error. But it's foolish to make judgements of such a kind without looking at more data.

Heck I can quote Jesus... watch this: Jesus said,"An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth." Matthew says he said those very words. But who rightly concludes that Jesus was in favor of the Lex Talionis?

That's why I asked for the context of the quote. It just looked sneaky.Can you even imagine a "context" in which you would agree with the statement "To go to church on the ground that one can visit God who is present there is a senseless act which modern man rightfully rejects"?

One context would be:
The following statement is an example of how some who accuse us of being superstitious would criticize us:

Another context might have worked around those who think that ONLY in Church and only in the Sacramental presence can one come into the presence of God.

Is that an okay answer?

363 posted on 02/22/2008 4:59:15 PM PST by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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