Posted on 02/19/2008 11:55:18 AM PST by NYer
It is my understanding and belief that prior to the the rebuilding of the Holy Temple in Jerusalem, that certain specific events MUST transpire and that this has not happened yet.
Do you have a specific citation for Catholic Church teachings against rebuilding the Temple?
I believe that there are plenty of places where Scripture can be confusing and SEEM conflicting and it can certainly be erroneously interpreted, but this error is a fault of the reader and not the Bible.
The phrase “Hocus-Pocus” you are using is a Protestant corruption of the Latin phrase: “In Hoc Est Corpus Meum”, which translates the words of the Lord: “This is My Body”.
I always find it interesting when protestants of any stripe (who rely so utterly on the inerrant word of the Bible) are the first to trash sacred words just because they are in Latin and spoken by an ordained Catholic priest.
In my sixty some years as a Catholic I believe I haven’t heard other Catholics spend even one minute commenting on the errancy of what protestants believe.
Lurking’
I'm not Jewish. I'm a Noachide, and like most American Noachides am the product of the rural Southern Bible Belt culture. In fact (and I get so tired of having to point this out) I actually converted to the Catholic Church over two decades ago and was a member for six years. Well, "member" implies that I belonged, and no "redneck" can really belong to the Catholic Church. I was tolerated because my feeble brain wasn't great enough to see how full of errors the Bible is.
But while we're on the subject, I doubt Jews would be very happy if the Pope tried to tell them what prayers they can say, so it seems strange that rabbis think they have that right to dictate to the Pope.
I am totally opposed to dictating internal changes in other people's religious beliefs while hypocrtically boasting of how "tolerant" and "non-proselytary" that one is. I would say that the Catholic Church deserves such treatment for claiming that Genesis is based on ancient middle eastern pagan mythology, but those liberal Jews who do all the screaming about "anti-Semitism" seem to believe that as well.
And no, Catholics are not anywhere near as obsessed with fundamentalists as the reverse. That's why articles like the one posted causes fits of rage in the usual suspects.
Let me tell you something. I grew up in the Fundamentalist Bible Belt, and while Fundamentalist Protestant theology certainly contradicts Catholic theology, blatant anti-Catholicism simply was not, and is not, present in the churches around here if for no other reason that there are no Catholics around here. Meanwhile, when I joined the Catholic Church I couldn't pick up a magazine or tract that didn't attack Fundamentalist Protestants, laugh at their ignorance, accuse them of "bigotry," and attacking the total inerrancy of the Bible. Did you know that the Catholic Diocese of Little Rock filed an amicus curae brief in support of the ACLU and its crusade against creationism, btw?
It is most tiresome to constantly here Catholics attack Protestants for their antinomianism when Catholics reject the holy G-d-dictated rituals and commandments of the Torah, or whine and cry about bigotry when their own ancestors in Europe said everything about the Jews that Fundamentalist Protestants now say about the Catholic Church and more. Payback's a *itch, ain't it?
Lastly, Israel is an independent nation, not the 51st state of the US. While I support Israel's right to exist and be secure, my support does not come from the ludicrous notion that it is my "job" to do so. And what of the many Hasidic Jews who were opposed to the formation of Israel?
Those groups were opposed to the idea of a secular Jewish state that would be just like all the other countries. And I think time has proven them right, at least as far as the Israeli government is concerned. When Mashiach HaMelekh comes and the Holy Temple rebuilt and the `Avodat HaQodesh (the Holy Temple Service) reinstated, then you will see what makes the Jewish Nation unique.
Then the next time your co-religionists are saying that Genesis is "mythology" and mere religious parable, I suggest you confront them on it. Otherwise, don't complain to me when I do.
A good place to start would be Cammie's post #112 in this very thread. Why don't you take a look at it?
And all those Cajun Catholics?
I’m puzzled.
From the posts of Catholic FReepers (cammie's post #112 on this thread is one example). I'm puzzled how you can deny this.
LOL! So you admit that the "new testament" is so full of balderdash that it compels you to believe in a non-inerrant bible? Then that's your problem!
I suppose you don't interpret "this is my body; this is my blood" literally either?
I spend a great deal of time arguing with Darwinists about what I believe is the most dangerous aspect of Darwinism and that is eugenics. Here is a recent example:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1967691/posts
However, I steadfastly REFUSE to debate creation vs. evolution because I believe that the Darwinists have been using these debates for well over a century to divert attention from their evil satanic agenda. The western world has spent decades arguing evolution, and while this has been going on the atheistic left has overrun large portions of society with scarcely a notice. However, as I’ve already said, there are many places in the Bible that can be improperly read and interpreted and this is especially true of the Pentateuch.
Fascinating!
Are you sure you aren't confusing papal infallibility (which only extends to matters of faith and morals) with Biblical inerrancy?
Actually, it’s “Hoc Est Enim Corpus Meum.”
I sure hope nobody was making a sandwich when you posted that.
I think everybody’s safe. It would have had to have been
“Illud est enim corpus meum.”
Apologies. I’m sure this was the reason I Flagged first-year Latin in my "yute".
But at least my heart is in the right place.
Regards,
Lurking’
I did.
It didn't.
Now that I'm a Catholic, it does.
Excuse me, I never said that, nor do I believe that, and I'd appreciate it if you wouldn't misrepresent my beliefs that way.
FWIW, Wikipedia lists this as only one of several possible explanations of "hocus-pocus".
What's more interesting is their explanation of "abracadabra" as derived from the Aramaic for "making by speaking," allegedly a reference to God creating the world.
Since I don't need convincing, I posted this comment to you in my original response. I have now rephrased it to include you.
There will always be skeptics, like St. Thomas [and ItsOurTimeNow], who will not accept or believe until they have have seen (John 20:24-29).
Catholics take the Bible literally.
"And he took bread, and gave thanks, and brake [it], and gave unto them, saying, This is my body which is given for you: this do in remembrance of me. Likewise also the cup after supper, saying, This cup [is] the new testament in my blood, which is shed for you." -Luke 22:19-20"I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world. The Jews therefore strove among themselves, saying, How can this man give us [his] flesh to eat? Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you. Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day. For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed. He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, dwelleth in me, and I in him." - John 6:51-56
"The cup of blessing which we bless, is it not the communion of the blood of Christ? The bread which we break, is it not the communion of the body of Christ? For we [being] many are one bread, [and] one body: for we are all partakers of that one bread." - 1 Corinthians 10:16-17
"For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, That the Lord Jesus the [same] night in which he was betrayed took bread: And when he had given thanks, he brake [it], and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me. After the same manner also [he took] the cup, when he had supped, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink [it], in remembrance of me. For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do shew the Lord's death till he come. Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink [this] cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord. But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of [that] bread, and drink of [that] cup. For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body." - 1 Corinthians 11:23-29
These are His words, not mine or yours. I trust and believe in Him. So should you.
Answer my with a simple yes or no answer (i.e. save your teenage style snarkiness) and answer my question or we have nothing to discuss: Was Jesus literally a door?
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