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To: farmer18th
Your wife owes you submission, but if you ask her to murder for you, she does not owe you obedience.

Of course she doesn't owe me obedience. That, like the midwives, is what the higher and lower laws are all about. As with the Egyptian midwives they didn't obey Pharaoh and God blessed them. I would also venture to guess the same would happen with my wife for refusing to go through with my scheming murder plot. That doesn't mean they are not committing sin. They're in fact are by refusing to obey authority. It's just that it isn't as high of a sin.

You, and MacArthur, can't hide behind a coward's absolutist interpretation of Romans 13.

There is nothing absolutist about it. Romans 13 plainly states that we should obey authority. 1 Tim 2 says we should pray for those in authority. You have offer no plausible counter interpretation except simply to say this refers to church authority. No commentator that I can find would agree with your interpretation.

David had a high regard for authority. On several occasions he had an opportunity to kill Saul, yet refused. Keep in mind that Saul was running around the country killing the priest of God, yet David did nothing. Finally when someone lied to him saying that he killed King Saul, he had him executed for putting his hand to the "Lord's anointed". By your logic David was irresponsible and culpable.

126 posted on 02/18/2008 5:44:00 PM PST by HarleyD
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To: HarleyD
There is nothing absolutist about it. Romans 13 plainly states that we should obey authority.

Did Jesus have any temporal authority over the administration of the temple yard--where the money changers worked? Did Jesus commit a "lower" sin by enforcing the "higher" law?

You can't "obey" authority without defining it--as Romans 13 clearly does. Unless you want to call God a liar (do you?) someone who is not a "rewarder of those who do good" is not in authority.
127 posted on 02/18/2008 5:47:58 PM PST by farmer18th (Conservatives who vote McCain are like abused dogs who keep licking their master's hand...)
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