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Apocalyptic Fooferah
NCR ^ | February 17, 2008 | Mark Shea

Posted on 02/14/2008 1:42:48 PM PST by NYer

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1 posted on 02/14/2008 1:42:50 PM PST by NYer
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To: Salvation; narses; SMEDLEYBUTLER; redhead; Notwithstanding; nickcarraway; Romulus; ...

The red heifer is my favorite ;-)


2 posted on 02/14/2008 1:43:27 PM PST by NYer ("Where the bishop is present, there is the Catholic Church" - Ignatius of Antioch)
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This odd tendency among some Catholics to forgo actually learning the faith in favor of learning a sort of compound of rumor and stray factoids

The above line is where he wanders off a bit. Does he honestly believe that many, if not most, of the people he talks about, haven't learned the faith?

3 posted on 02/14/2008 1:48:41 PM PST by Pyro7480 ("Jesu, Jesu, Jesu, esto mihi Jesus" -St. Ralph Sherwin's last words at Tyburn)
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To: NYer

You’re right.

People worry themselves sick over the Mark of the Beast, the Rapture, or whatever, yet never stop to consider the fact that the real End Of The World — death — comes for someone every day. These folks should spend less time worrying about being Left Behind and more worrying about what would happen in they were to die today. After all, not one of us is guaranteed even a single moment more in this world; each us us could find ourselves in our own personal “end times” scenario at any second.

God will win in the end. We Christians know this. Therefore, let’s quit wasting time on the End Of The World worries and spend that time considering our own personal Last Days.


4 posted on 02/14/2008 2:04:48 PM PST by B-Chan (Catholic. Monarchist. Texan. Any questions?)
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To: NYer
The red heifer is my favorite

???? Why bring Kucinich's better half into this?

5 posted on 02/14/2008 2:12:11 PM PST by mnehring (Make your plans to fit the circumstances. - General George S. Patton, Jr)
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To: NYer
The red heifer is my favorite ;-)

I saw a show about that on the History Channel.

6 posted on 02/14/2008 2:31:15 PM PST by Tax-chick ("Good guy wins, bad guy gets dead. Nothing to cry over here." ~ trimom)
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The red heifer is my favorite ;-)

The choq of the "red heifer" (parah 'adummah in Hebrew) is given in the nineteenth chapter of the Book of Numbers (which will be read in synagogues throughout the world on the morning of the upcoming 3/29). It is the most mysterious mitzvah in the entire Torah. In fact, though Solomon's wisdom enabled him to adduce the reasons for all the other mitzvot, this one utterly escaped him. Only Moses attained understanding out of pure revelation from G-d.

There are two types of mitzvot: mishpatim ("judgments"), which can be explained rationally, and chuqqot ("statutes") which rest on no human understanding but can be accepted only as the word of G-d. The "red heifer" is the most famous of these latter.

In reality, however, at some point beyond mere human understanding, the two blend into one. For even those commandments which human reason cannot justify is nevertheless purposeful and justified in the Mind of G-d, and the most rational of commandments (such as "thou shalt not kill") in fact rest ultimately on the authority of our A-mighty Creator and not on its apparent rationality to our frail minds.

G-d's commandments bind us because they are from Him, whether or not we understand the understanding.

7 posted on 02/14/2008 3:31:32 PM PST by Zionist Conspirator ("Veshakhanti betokh Benei Yisra'el; vehayiti lahem l'Eloqim.")
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To: NYer

I suggest using it to learn what “The gates of hell shall not prevail” means. I also suggest learning what “He who listens to you listens to me,” “indefectibility”, and “infallibility” mean.

You don’t know how many times I have said this, almost verbatim, to my SSPX friend, often several times in one day.


8 posted on 02/14/2008 3:52:26 PM PST by tiki (True Christians will not deliberately slander or misrepresent others or their beliefs)
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Catholics don’t have to buy any of this and, in my opinion, do well not to bother with it.

"Blessed is the one who reads the words of this prophecy, and blessed are those who hear it and take to heart what is written in it, because the time is near." Revelation 1:3.

9 posted on 02/14/2008 4:05:00 PM PST by e.Shubee
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To: NYer
Great article, N. Sort of reminds me of those visions of “Our Lady of the Damp Stain on the Bridge Abutment: or the "Panagia of the Pizza Pan".
10 posted on 02/14/2008 5:02:17 PM PST by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated!)
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Sling mud, and do not give one word of refutation to the Protestant position...great tactic. This article assumes the Roman Catholic interpretation is the correct one, and therefore, by definition all others are wrong...without one word of definition or defense. Interesting.


11 posted on 02/14/2008 5:42:08 PM PST by LiteKeeper (Beware the secularization of America; the Islamization of Eurabia)
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Did you maybe miss out on the fact that the article really wasn’t even about Protestants or Protestantism, or are you just spoiling for a fight?


12 posted on 02/14/2008 6:05:05 PM PST by Campion
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To: NYer

Mark 13:32

“about that day or that hour no one except the Father knows, neither the angels in heaven nor the Son,”


13 posted on 02/14/2008 6:41:34 PM PST by franky1
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To: Campion
Statements such as fooferah from both Protestants and Catholics is “Same pathologies, different dress.”, and referring to the evangelical position as "kooky" are not exactly terms of mature debate...they are mud slinging. We Protestants are wrong, according to the author. but he never produces a single argument in support of his position.
14 posted on 02/14/2008 6:47:24 PM PST by LiteKeeper (Beware the secularization of America; the Islamization of Eurabia)
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and referring to the evangelical position as "kooky" are not exactly terms of mature debate..

It's not "the" (one and only acceptable) evangelical position, it's "an" evangelical position, out of several.

15 posted on 02/14/2008 7:17:15 PM PST by Lee N. Field ("your dispensational hermeneutic has driven you mad!")
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It's not "the" (one and only acceptable) evangelical position, it's "an" evangelical position, out of several.

What would those "several" positions be?

16 posted on 02/14/2008 7:19:46 PM PST by LiteKeeper (Beware the secularization of America; the Islamization of Eurabia)
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Broadly, historic premillenialism (the sane ones), postmillenialism, amillenialism and dispensational premil-ism (the aforementioned fooforah).

Basic stuff, as I'm sure you're aware.

My own response to all this apocalyptic fooferah from both Protestants and Catholics is “Same pathologies, different dress.” --original posting

Which I find interesting.

17 posted on 02/14/2008 7:30:46 PM PST by Lee N. Field ("your dispensational hermeneutic has driven you mad!")
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To: LiteKeeper
We Protestants are wrong, according to the author. but he never produces a single argument in support of his position.

That's because his article is really about Catholics who chase after visions and "prophecies," and is not directed to Protestants at all.

Sometimes Catholics write things directed at other Catholics that take it for granted that Protestants are wrong.

Sometimes Protestants write things directed at other Protestants that take it for granted that Catholics are wrong, too. Often, in fact.

18 posted on 02/14/2008 7:57:52 PM PST by Campion
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To: Zionist Conspirator
The truth behind the Scrolls!


19 posted on 02/14/2008 10:35:12 PM PST by B-Chan (Catholic. Monarchist. Texan. Any questions?)
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To: Campion
I hear that! Catholic writer writing for Catholics and Protestants demand to be included. I don't get it.

That said, I really like the way Mark Shea writes.

I have never heard of the red heifer thing however. ??

20 posted on 02/15/2008 3:28:13 AM PST by defconw (Pray for Snow!)
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