Posted on 02/07/2008 2:22:50 PM PST by Pyro7480
"Because he saw himself as both head of state and father of the Christian Churches, he is considered the architect of the Middle Ages as founder of Christendom."
You'll find that statement HERE! It's under the sub heading of "Constantine and the Edit of Milan"....about a quarter of the way down.
My FRiend; This site is a Catholic site....so evidently some of your brethren disagree with your nonacceptance of Constantine's founding of the historic Catholic Church. This is not the Church of the New Testament; It is not the Church of the first and second centuries; It is not even the Church of The Early Church Fathers. It is the Church that had become totally Pagan by its refusal to accept anything of Hebrew nature to grace its walls.
Because of this antisemitic position and the rejection of God's Festivals and Sabbaths.....the Church founded by Constantine was immediately adrift in false doctrine, Apostasy and corruption. It still is!
Which is not "proof" that Constantine founded the RC church. All it is proof of is the fact that he made it legal to the multitudes. In order to believe the conspiracy theories against Rome, one would have to believe that a people who allowed themselves to be torn apart by lions rather than reject their faith happily allowed Roman politicians to rewrite the basis of their faith. Sorry, not buying it, no sale, nice life, etc....
Balderdash!
XeniaSt has a habit of posting material that is easily refuted.
I'm not sure why Jews should be scolding anyone for what they believe as long as scolding Jewish beliefs is off limits.
First of all, I don't understand what all these "talks" among various religions is about. They all disagree with one another, so what's the point? Are they going to alter themselves and merge? Does any orthodox religion expect that another orthodox religion is going to change? And even if the leaders agree to something in these ecumenical discussions, what affect will that have on the masses of people who were never part of the discussion in the first place?
Secondly, it is the true duty of `Am Yisra'el (the Jewish People) to teach the nations about G-d--not about tolerance or diversity or pluralism or "all 'gxds' are equally valid." Why Orthodox Jews have heretofore been the one and only community to avoid doing this (in a world of religions shouting their beliefs from the housetops) I do not fully understand. True, in the past there were horrible penalties visited on Jewish communities for doing this, but this is not so today, at least in the Western world.
As part of this duty, Orthodox Jews have every right--in fact, a duty--to rebuke any religious community that teaches falsehood. However, Jewish voices are never raised on these issues. The Catholic Church has been teaching innocent children the blasphemy of "higher criticism" for almost a century. More recently, G-d has been under attack by the "new atheists," all greeted by silence from the self-appointed leaders of the Jewish community (and even worse, from the genuine Jewish leaders among the Torah Sages as well). But you may be certain that any whiff of ethnic bigotry, "intolerance," and implication that not all religions are equally valid will bring forth an avalanche of criticism in the name of Judaism. I will never understand the priorities of the "organized Jewish community" in these matters.
Since no one else will do it, allow me to rebuke the Catholic Church for its blasphemies against the Word of G-d. Shame on it. It is paying for this now, and will continue to pay in the future.
How Constantine saw himself isn't really very important.
"Founder of Christendom" is not the same thing as "founder of the Catholic Church". "Christendom" is the cooperation between state and church (sometimes good, sometimes not!) which characterized the medieval period in the west.
This site is a Catholic site
It may be a site run by Catholics, but if it were to say that Constantine founded the Catholic Church, it would be teaching heresy. It's defined dogma that the Catholic church was founded by Our Lord Jesus Christ through the person of St. Peter. No Catholic is free to deny it and remain a Catholic.
so evidently some of your brethren disagree with your nonacceptance of Constantine's founding of the historic Catholic Church.
As I have explained, the citation you quote does not establish that. If it did, it would be heresy for a Catholic to teach that, which blows your "it's a Catholic site" claim out of the water.
It is the Church that had become totally Pagan by its refusal to accept anything of Hebrew nature to grace its walls.
Funny, my church's walls are "graced" with a bas relief of Abel offering his sacrifice, and Melchizedek offering his. Those guys aren't in any way connected with the Hebrews, are they?
And that passage from Genesis we read this morning, and the Psalm we sang ... that must have been my imagination, right?
Because of this antisemitic position and the rejection of God's Festivals and Sabbaths
[sigh] As I have already posted on this thread, "God's Festivals and Sabbaths" were instituted to punish Israel for her apostasy in Sinai, and as a type of the redemption that was to come. The early Christian church did not celebrate them, as my citations from Justin Martyr's Dialogue clearly demonstrated.
Arguments from silence aren't really persuasive of anything.
given the fact that he freely mentions Simon Magus
As it turns out, he was evidently wrong about Simon Magus. Maybe he shouldn't have mentioned him.
As for his alleged "anti-semitism", you're missing my point. He's talking about the practice of the church in his day. That practice does not include, and in fact rejects, both the OT feasts (except Passover*) and the seventh day sabbath.
*I reject your idea that Passover and Pascha/Easter are not the same holiday. The day may have moved slightly -- please note that the "don't celebrate Passover on the same day as the Jews" rule promulgated by Nicaea has not been observed in the West for centuries -- but the events commemorated are the same. If you don't believe me, attend Easter vigil at any Catholic church and count the number of references to the Exodus.
Well.....your dogma is simply wrong.....and it's about time you folks are taught the truth. You sure can't get it from your church. We have been over and over the fact that Peter was never in Rome. You cannot prove he was, but I can show you scripture that told him not to go there. Who are folks to believe....scripture or your tired old traditions?
It may be a site run by Catholics, but if it were to say that Constantine founded the Catholic Church, it would be teaching heresy.
Then why do these folks say it? Get real!
Funny, my church's walls are "graced" with a bas relief of Abel offering his sacrifice, and Melchizedek offering his. Those guys aren't in any way connected with the Hebrews, are they?
No....they weren't. Abel was the son of Adam [Genesis 4:2] and Melchizedek was the son of no one [Hebrews 7:3]. The Hebrews were descended from Eber [Genesis 10:21].
[sigh] As I have already posted on this thread, "God's Festivals and Sabbaths" were instituted to punish Israel for her apostasy in Sinai, and as a type of the redemption that was to come. The early Christian church did not celebrate them, as my citations from Justin Martyr's Dialog clearly demonstrated.
Well....I guess someone just forgot to tell you....you're wrong.
[Exodus 31:16-17] Wherefore the children of Israel shall keep the sabbath, to observe the sabbath throughout their generations, for a perpetual covenant. It is a sign between me and the children of Israel for ever: for in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested, and was refreshed.
This is the reason he established His Sabbaths....for a sign between the true Church of God and Himself. It says....FOREVER! Churches who do not celebrate His Sabbaths cannot lay claim to the truth.
Here are some scriptures for you....and anyone else, that will tell you the Feast Days were also ordained "Forever".
Exodus 12:14,17,24; 13:10. Leviticus 16:29,31; 23:21,31,41. Both Exodus 21:6 and Deuteronomy 15:16-17 explain that "FOREVER" means as long as the factors involved continue to exist.
Now.....why don't you show everyone where the scriptures tell us to discontinue honoring Our Lord by not observing his Sabbaths and celebrating His feast days? I'll wait.... but not long.
After he claimed that a state religion is unscriptural then I decided not to respond to any such silliness. He may own a bible, but it’s obviously written by Thomas Jefferson. The entire existence of the Old Testament kingdom of Israel was established with one state religion. Prior to the establishment of the line of kings with Saul the time of Judges was a straight theocracy.
“The scriptures I study were canonized by the Council of Jamnia (90 A.D.) and Our Lord Himself as stated in [Luke 24:44]”
Really? How do the rest of get this version?
Welcome to FreeRepublic.shalom b'SHEM Yah'shuaOn this site we ping people when we talk about them.
You do not seem to demonstrate the chesed (lovingkindness) of Yah'shua ( Jesus).
Knock off the personal attacks.
Uh, I haven’t even been in this thread in the last six days.
“The scriptures I study were canonized by the Council of Jamnia (90 A.D.) and Our Lord Himself as stated in [Luke 24:44]”
Really? How do the rest of get this version?
OMG!! Succint to the nth degree!! Thanks!!
Diego....what denomination are you?
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