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To: RobbyS; Uncle Chip
Magus doesn’t translate as “Peter.”

Nope....you're right....but, pagan gods were all called Peter. Simon was called a god by the Romans themselves [Justin Martyr's apology].

Most early civilizations had "Peter" gods and priests of those cultures were called Peters also. Variations of the name were Patre, Pator, Petor etc. The name stems from the word "Inter-Preters"....and these gods interpreted things for the folks [Genesis 41:8].

This name for gods continued on into Greco/Roman culture and we find that heads of families became known as Pators. Because of their importance the name was given the adjective Arch-Pator and evolved into "Patriarch"....or Father.

The Romans had their "Ju-Pator" which became known as "Jupiter" and the Greeks had their "Zeus-Pator" which was the same god. Apollo was also called "Patrius". Artemis was also called "Patora" as was Bacchus. Posieden was called "Petraios"....also known as Neptune.

In Egypt the gods were called Patroa which was usually a stone pillar which was actually a phallic symbol. These Peter (phallic) symbols can be found all over the ancient world. The term "Petra" came to be known as a rock or stone formation....always in a religious sense.

There are many examples of the word "Peter" being used in ancient pagan religions to signify either a god, a priest or an obelisk. The first mention in scripture of a "Peter" temple is here: [Numbers 22:4-5] And Moab said unto the elders of Midian, Now shall this company lick up all that are round about us, as the ox licketh up the grass of the field. And Balak the son of Zippor was king of the Moabites at that time. He sent messengers therefore unto Balaam the son of Beor to Pethor, which is by the river of the land of the children of his people, to call him, saying, Behold, there is a people come out from Egypt: behold, they cover the face of the earth, and they abide over against me:

[Deuteronomy 23:4] Because they met you not with bread and with water in the way, when ye came forth out of Egypt; and because they hired against thee Balaam the son of Beor of Pethor of Mesopotamia, to curse thee. This place was the oracle temple of a heathen god....a high place which was an abomination to God. In Greece it was called Delphi. In Egypt it was Ammon and in Asia Minor it was Pergamos. These were all places of "Inter-Pretation" by the oracles....or priests.

The Simon "Pator" that was in Rome was not the Apostle Peter....it was Simon Magus and his own blend of Christianity and paganism.

144 posted on 02/01/2008 6:03:27 PM PST by Diego1618
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To: Diego1618

“Pater” means “father” in Latin. It *is* the origin of dyeus-pater, “father God,” which became Jupiter. It is of no etymological relationship to “Petrus,” however. Even if there were some unrecognized linkage (if I should accept your novel argument, for instance), Petrus would be much harder to confuse with “Pator,” “Patrius,” or “Petraius.”

The relationship between “Petrus” and religious structures, however, is deliberate, and is actually an uncannily fortunate translation of Cephas (or Kephas), for Cephas has the same religious significance.

But what if there is some etymological resemblance? What then? Simon’s name “Petrus” was clearly ordained by God. So what have you proven? That calling the Pope “Il Papa” is biblical? That when Jesus called Peter “Petrus,” he was invoking notions of religious supremacy? Perhaps next you will rock us with your insight that “Cephas” means “head” in Greek?


154 posted on 02/01/2008 9:20:00 PM PST by dangus
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To: Diego1618

Wow. You’re all over the map. In your absurd etymology, all names that start with P and end in R come from a common root.

Peter != Pater. Peter is derived from the Greek for, not father, but rock — petroleum is oil drawn from rock. Petrograd is a city built from rock. Wood that turns into rock is petrified. When Jesus clapped Peter on the shoulder and said “on this rock I shall build my church,” he was making a pun.

Jesus never gets enough credit for having a sense of humor.

Pater is not greek, but Latin — before Vatican II, Catholics didn’t say “Our Fathers,” They said “Pater Nosters.”Peter and Pater share a number of letters in common, but they do not share a common derivation.


156 posted on 02/01/2008 10:58:28 PM PST by ReignOfError
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