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To: Dr. Eckleburg; Kolokotronis; MarkBsnr; Campion; Petrosius; jo kus; dangus; HarleyD; wmfights; ...
If the Holy Spirit proceeds from the Father and through the Son, then that is tantamount to saying the Holy Spirit proceeds only from the Father and the Son is simply a conduit which ultimately erodes the Trinity

You just insist on being obtuse on this issue and peddle the double-origin heresy as "Catholic" doctrine. The Catholic Church does not teach doube-origin.

Apparently, you are incapable of differentiating the concepts that deal with eternal procession of the Spirit (as regards His existence) and the tempral procession of the Spirit (as regards the Divine Economy).

The Athanasian Creed...

The Atanasian Creed is not the official Creed of the Church. Only the Symbol of of Faith (the "Creed") is, and has been repeatedly cinfirmed as such (without the Filioque) from 381 until the 11th century.

Augustine...

Blessed Augustine does not have the authoirty to proclaim dogma. You are ignoring or, more likely have no concept of, where the authority rested in the Undivded Church.

Cyril of Alexandria

Again, the same applies to +Cyril as to +Augustine.

Council of Toledo...

Council of Toledo was a local council. It cannot change official dogma; it cannot make its own for the whole Church.

Claiming that the HS originates from the Father and the Son is heresy. It is heresy because it denies the monarchy of the Father and because it degrades the Spirit to a secondary role.

And, since the Creed was written in Greek, and since the Greek text uses the word which implies the origin, it is the correct version and the only correct version. All translated versions need to adjust their Creeds to reflect the same meaning. That's how the Church received the Symbol and that's how it was confirmed in every Ecumenical Council, and is still confirmed by the Orthodox Church..

941 posted on 02/01/2008 11:38:41 AM PST by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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To: kosta50

***Claiming that the HS originates from the Father and the Son is heresy. It is heresy because it denies the monarchy of the Father and because it degrades the Spirit to a secondary role.

And, since the Creed was written in Greek, and since the Greek text uses the word which implies the origin, it is the correct version and the only correct version. All translated versions need to adjust their Creeds to reflect the same meaning. That’s how the Church received the Symbol and that’s how it was confirmed in every Ecumenical Council, and is still confirmed by the Orthodox Church..***

Those who do not know their heresies are doomed to repeat them. Ad infinitum, to the ends of the earth in as many ways as there are different people. A very valuable function that the Church serves.

Nice explanation of the Filioque. It is as you say.


943 posted on 02/01/2008 11:43:27 AM PST by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: kosta50; dangus
Was the doctrine of the Filioque, the "Double Procession of the Holy Ghost from the Father and the Son," declared to be a dogma of faith in the Fourth Lateran Council (1215), the Second Council in Lyons (1274) and the Council of Florence (1438-1445)?

And has that pronunciation of dogma been rescinded in the Catholic church?

944 posted on 02/01/2008 11:50:49 AM PST by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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