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To: the_conscience
Kosta: Where does the Old Testament teach that(grace alone)?

From beginning to end. Start with Paul's description of Abrahams faith in the book of Galations.

Oh, yes, I forgot, everything has to go through +Paul. With some Christians, he is the prism through which everything is interpreted, even Christ's own words. Where is "grace alone" (even "faith alone") in the Beatitudes? Or are they not important because +Paul doesn't interpret them? Why not change the name from Christians to Paulines?.

Where does the OT, not Galatians, say we are saved by grace alone?

905 posted on 02/01/2008 6:17:21 AM PST by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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To: kosta50

***Why not change the name from Christians to Paulines?. ***

How about Paulistinians? Paulistas? Paulocrats?

The point is that St. Paul is very important to the doctrine, critical for saving the infant Church. But the misunderstandings of Paul should not be the substitute for the Gospel message of Jesus.


907 posted on 02/01/2008 6:21:18 AM PST by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: kosta50; the_conscience
Oh, yes, I forgot, everything has to go through +Paul. With some Christians, he is the prism through which everything is interpreted, even Christ's own words. Where is "grace alone" (even "faith alone") in the Beatitudes? Or are they not important because +Paul doesn't interpret them? Why not change the name from Christians to Paulines?. Where does the OT, not Galatians, say we are saved by grace alone?

Well -- then just rip all those Pauline Epistles out of that Bible of yours and be done with it.

908 posted on 02/01/2008 6:31:28 AM PST by Uncle Chip (TRUTH : Ignore it. Deride it. Allegorize it. Interpret it. But you can't ESCAPE it.)
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