[HarleyD]

He didn’t. It was men who did it and men who allowed it. The Holy Spirit guides, but so does the great deceiver. ... The problem is that how does one know whether he is following the Spirit or not?

This is a rather interesting comment. Don't we hear on the one hand that the Holy Spirit guides the Church to all truths? Now we hear He doesn't because men allows it? When precisely does the Holy Spirit guide the Church and when doesn't He? How do you know the pronouncements from Rome are from the Holy Spirit?

[MarkBsnr]

***When precisely does the Holy Spirit guide the Church and when doesn’t He? How do you know the pronouncements from Rome are from the Holy Spirit?***

The Holy Spirit guides the Church because Jesus says so. Individual men can do evil; the Holy Spirit of the Bible does no frogmarching. Yet, the Church prevails simply because it has the Holy Spirit as its guide.

All this is Scriptural. Peter failed. Paul fell short. Yet the Church prevails.