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To: MarkBsnr; Uncle Chip; fortheDeclaration; wmfights
the establishment of the Church and its role are also ignored.

Heh, I'm a Presbyterian. I believe in the regulative principle of worship. I believe in the church of God on earth. And I believe God elected His family to that church because "even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, by grace ye are saved" -- Ephesians 2:5

And those whom He elected are found in a variety of churches which contain a variety of truth and error. Nothing's perfect save Christ.

I've sent you to the WCF of faith several times now, so you can see that we Presbyterians (and most Bible-believing Christians) agree that all teaching and doctrine must be founded upon the word of God alone.

As Uncle Chip and ftd said (both of whom belong to different denominations than I) the primary belief that unites all Bible-believing Christians is that they know and believe and hold most dear the truth that Christ has paid for every one of their sins, and thus they stand today acquitted and redeemed by their Saviour who gave Himself a ransom for all those who believe on His name, by the grace of God alone.

Any church that preaches that is on the right track.

716 posted on 01/31/2008 11:19:36 AM PST by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg; MarkBsnr; Uncle Chip; fortheDeclaration
As Uncle Chip and ftd said (both of whom belong to different denominations than I) the primary belief that unites all Bible-believing Christians is that they know and believe and hold most dear the truth that Christ has paid for every one of their sins, and thus they stand today acquitted and redeemed by their Saviour who gave Himself a ransom for all those who believe on His name, by the grace of God alone.

We are united by THE GOSPEL.

We argue all kinds of things, but not Salvation by Grace Alone through Faith Alone by Christ Alone.

I believe the stumbling block for RC's, as it has been explained to me by RC's, is that they perceive defense of their church as defense of their Faith. As a result admitting error would be to admit their Faith is flawed.

728 posted on 01/31/2008 11:49:26 AM PST by wmfights (Believe - THE GOSPEL - and be saved)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

***I’ve sent you to the WCF of faith several times now, so you can see that we Presbyterians (and most Bible-believing Christians) agree that all teaching and doctrine must be founded upon the word of God alone. ***

I’ve been through it numerous times. It is apparent that the WCF (commissioned, bought and paid for a foreign government) cherry picks verse, completely misinterprets Paul (see post above that lists many of the common misinterpretations) and winds up to deviate considerably from the message of Christ.

***the primary belief that unites all Bible-believing Christians is that they know and believe and hold most dear the truth that Christ has paid for every one of their sins, and thus they stand today acquitted and redeemed by their Saviour who gave Himself a ransom for all those who believe on His name, by the grace of God alone.***

Then you disregard Paul too. Paul hoped for salvation. Gnostics knew.


767 posted on 01/31/2008 12:50:15 PM PST by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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