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To: ScubieNuc

Those present in the room received the Holy Spirit at that moment. Others have received Him later. Is this what you’re after?

God bestows His Grace upon us, giving us the gift of His Spirit. How can you believe if you have not received it? If that’s not what you’re looking for, could you please rephrase?

The Holy Spirit comes to us through baptism, or the laying on of hands. Infants do not have that belief, yet we introduce them to the Holy Spirit so that His Grace can begin to work on them. Older people may have an interest, but since faith is a gift, that gift must not only be offered (from God), it must be accepted (by the baptized).

Baptism is very much required. Please see http://www.scripturecatholic.com/baptism.html for a complete Scriptural proof.

Acts 10, Acts 16 and 1 Cor 1 are all ‘household baptisms’. One presumes that the infants were present in at least one of them. Scriptures do not forbid it, and, anyway, the early Church fathers wrote in support of its practice.


709 posted on 01/31/2008 11:07:14 AM PST by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: MarkBsnr
Acts 10, Acts 16 and 1 Cor 1 are all ‘household baptisms’. One presumes that the infants were present in at least one of them. Scriptures do not forbid it, and, anyway, the early Church fathers wrote in support of its practice.

I suppose you could presume that if you don't examine all of the other verses that talk about baptism. When you look at the verses that talk about baptism you always see belief or repentance before it. How does a baby believe or repent?

Scriptures also don't forbid baptising pets, but I would guess you would be against that. The point is that it is a bad idea to justify doing something just because the Bible doesn't expressly say you can't.

When you resort to saying "the early Church fathers wrote in support of it." you are no longer on common ground with me. I don't elevate what "the early Church fathers wrote" to be equal to Scripture. There is a HUGE difference between the inspired Word of God and the writtings of early Church fathers.

Baptism is very much NOT required. Please see http://www.carm.org/questions/baptnec.htm for a complete Scriptural proof.
730 posted on 01/31/2008 11:53:43 AM PST by ScubieNuc (There is only ONE mediator between man and God....Jesus. 1 Timothy 2:5)
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