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To: sandyeggo; Mad Dawg; Quix
This was the "making it personal" segment, reading the mind of another poster:

If the target gives up, the S-E claims a victory. (Note that When Quix announced the possibility of some vaguely defined absence from this thread, he invoked Divine Threats and Curses on any who might interpret his departure in any way that he might not like.)

On the other point, I have been made aware of a heated exchange of Freepmails centering on the "S-E" analysis. S-E as I understand it means "sado-evangelism."

There is nothing wrong with inventing a term - whether "sado-evangelism" on the on hand or "magicsterical" on the other.

Nor is there anything wrong with posters practicing without a "license" whether psychology, theology, philosophy, science or whatever.

But I will not allow a flame war to ignite on the forum - and that includes carrying over a Freepmail flame war to the open forum. An academic discussion, however, is fine.

The bottom line to preventing flame wars is the guideline: discuss the issues all you want, but do NOT make it personal.

693 posted on 01/31/2008 10:19:17 AM PST by Religion Moderator
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To: Religion Moderator; sandyeggo; Quix
Evidently the RM is excused from the rule about mind reading. Also, evidently the RM has been suckered by somebody complaining about a freepmail.

I would conjecture that I am being found guilty of conducting a flame war or participating in a flame war.("I have been made aware" -- did it come over the transom or what?) without being either notified of the charges nor being allowed to defend myself.

In the excerpt from what I wrote, there was NO mind reading. There was a generalization of observed behavior:If the target gives up, the S-E claims a victory. and an instance given:

(Note that When Quix announced the possibility of some vaguely defined absence from this thread, he invoked Divine Threats and Curses on any who might interpret his departure in any way that he might not like.)
This observation was based on the following statement made in post #485:
There are likely some who may tend to feel this action of mine is a definite sign of victory for their perspective or side or whatever. That would be a very serious error which they would likely seriously regret. But, that is their business between them and God.
Therefore I deny the charges of mind-reading and of "making it personal". Yes I confess to mentioning the name of the person who made the statement to which I referred. I don't think that's "making it personal"

Further, I deny the charge of participating, except as victim, in any flame war. If I ask a FREEPER not to post freepmails to me and he persists in doing so, then I participated the way Luxembourg fought with Germany in WWI, and in no other way. A few futile defensive shots fired, and then silence.

But, far be it from this bastion of liberty to allow me to confront my accusers, or even to know who they are.

My asking other Freepers for input on S-E was, sure, light-hearted. Sadism itself is far more complicated than I am making it out to be, and I am knowingly misusing the term.

But there are serious purposes here behind the joke: There are indeed a number of observable behaviors (no mind-reading involved -- just looking) characteristic of some of the Catholic but of a very great number of the posts of what might loosely be called the "Protestant side". (distinguo: a great number of posts, not a great number of posters) I have already characterized them. I want to collect examples so that I cold order them.

Personality Disorders and similar afflictions interest me greatly because they seem to enlist some of the organic causes of mental ill-health to a syndrome which is generally thought to be environmental or developmental in origin.

And their intractability and the length of time involved in the rare "cure" also interested me. As I said, there's a similarity between them and substance abuse.

SO I want data.

I also want to encourage anyone on either side who wants conversation instead of mutual abuse to avoid "Feeding" or enabling what I take to be the illness.

Yes, I enjoyed provoking some of the responses I got. When the bullies get stung, there's a certain satisfaction in it.

But when I consider what has been tossed my way the threats I am now receiving remind me of the young acquaintance of my daughter's who was suspended from school for defending herself from a groping attack by three much larger boys.

706 posted on 01/31/2008 10:59:42 AM PST by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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