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To: stfassisi; kosta50; MarkBsnr; irishtenor; Dr. Eckleburg; Gamecock; wmfights; Cvengr; HarleyD; ...
I think this might help you to understand further?

Thanks. I agree with the analysis about why Jesus' bones were not broken.

[from the essay:] What is Jesus speaking of when he says, “It is finished?” I mean, our redemption is not completed once he - he's not yet raised. Paul says, “He was raised for our justification.”

I think that's an extremely poor pull quote by the author and is totally out of context. Here is the actual verse:

Rom 4:25 : He was delivered over to death for our sins and was raised to life for our justification.

It wasn't the raising that accomplished our redemption, it was the dying. The raising was PROOF. Paul simply puts the two together in his statement, so there is no justification for saying that "It is finished" means anything other than the completion of redemption.

[Id.] So what is the it talking about? He said, ‘It is finished’, and he bowed his head and gave up his spirit, his breath. The it, of course you realize by now, is the Passover sacrifice.

IMHO, this is the false completion of a false set up. I knew I smelled something coming when the author only quoted half of Paul. :) The Passover sacrifice was not eternal, but temporary. Jesus' sacrifice was eternal and final.

[Id.] The Eucharist ends at Calvary. But in another way of thinking, it ain't over yet! Cause it ain't over till it's over. Paul tells us in 1 Corinthians 5:7-8, “Christ our Passover lamb has been sacrificed, therefore”_what?_we don't need to have any more sacrifice?

For salvation, YES, that is correct. Certainly, Christ is "the lamb" and comparisons can be fairly made. However, I think it's error to compare the sacrifice of Christ to any sacrifice a human might make. Those are two different ballparks. Christ's sacrifice was PERFECT, and had no need to be repeated, unlike the general OT sacrifices. Paul does not say otherwise.

[Id.] Therefore we don't need to have any more ritual, therefore all we have to do is have a personal relationship with Jesus Christ and invite him into our hearts and everything else is taken care of?

For salvation, YES. Christ took care of everything. The alternative is that Christ did not take care of everything and in fact did a half- ............. baked job. :) The author's view has humans needing to clean up after Christ's unfinished business.

The author is wrong in thinking that Christ is merely an ongoing continuation of the paschal lamb sacrifice. (Christians did not partake of that sacrifice after Christ.) Christ is a final, once and for all REPLACEMENT for it. That's what Paul was saying. Leaven should be put away then, and sin should be put away now.

6,824 posted on 08/05/2008 12:12:11 PM PDT by Forest Keeper (It is a joy to me to know that God had my number, before He created numbers.)
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To: Forest Keeper
Dear Brother, I have come to the conclusion that unless you can grasp that “eternity” is not a long timeline, than you're never going to fully understand the power of God
Eternity is not a timeline it's more like a total “present” without past or future: God is all NOW Calvary was in “time” but Christ is outside of time, and everything He did on earth is with Him in eternity. “Slain from the foundation of the world.”

So,you are correct in saying redemption is finished (so does the Catholic Church) but the souls who have yet to be born are not yet “saved.” They are redeemed but must exercise faith to be saved.

God works outside of time,FK, and the Sacrifice can be presented to him at any time.

The Early Christian's who were smarter and holier than you or I knew this clearly and DID NOT limit Our Blessed Lord.

You use your personal modern interpretations of the Bible that have no consistency through the ages

I wish you well in your search for the Truth!

6,825 posted on 08/05/2008 1:58:58 PM PDT by stfassisi ( ("Above all gifts that Christ gives his beloved is that of overcoming self"-St Francis Assisi))
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To: Forest Keeper
Thank you for sharing your insights, dear brother in Christ!
6,828 posted on 08/05/2008 9:32:57 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Forest Keeper; stfassisi; MarkBsnr; irishtenor; Dr. Eckleburg; Gamecock; wmfights; Cvengr; ...
It wasn't the raising that accomplished our redemption, it was the dying. The raising was PROOF

But the dying would be pointless without the resurrection; it would mean that death had a hold on Him. By resurrection, death was defeated and His divinity was established (although the Synaptic Gospels suggest otherwise).

The author is wrong in thinking that Christ is merely an ongoing continuation of the paschal lamb sacrifice

Nevertheless, the earliest Church documents show that's how it was understood and practiced, and they were a lot closer to the original faith than your side, FK.

6,830 posted on 08/06/2008 12:32:44 AM PDT by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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