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To: kosta50; MarkBsnr; stfassisi; irishtenor; Dr. Eckleburg; Gamecock; wmfights; HarleyD; ...
FK: Ah, if you believed in and trusted the Holy Scriptures, then you would have a complete answer to your question.

What's my question, FK?

You asked where else we could begin (implying that man is the only answer). My overall point is that beginning with man is futile if one is searching for real truth.

FK: The problem with your (and their) view is that you have no answer at all to the problem of unifying the universals with the particulars.

What answer are you talking about? All I said was that we detect the world through our senses and, depending on what we receive is what we see and believe.

The answer is in starting with God and His word rather than starting with man and his guesses. Men too easily believe that their own perceptions are the whole of truth. That viewpoint cannot give eternal meaning to anything relating to God or the actual world around us.

Some people accept their ignorance and know their limits; others fill the gaps with fantasy and pretend it's real. As far as Orthodoxy is concerned, man's true meaning is to be Christ-like because that's how God created us, in His image and Likeness. But there may very well be no meaning to man's life, and to all this existence. So what! You don't like it? Make one up! (bold added)

Yes, it has long puzzled me that you seem to be very comfortable with this proposition. Indeed it is well suited to your views. I just know that many important thinkers have spent years of their lives agonizing over these issues, only to wind up in despair because there are no answers when starting with man. But, apparently for some thinkers, they are content in the intellectual wilderness. :)

Well, we can tell what happened before we were here. We have learned to connect the dots from the clues left behind and see what caused what even if we don't understand why.

Would you consider yourself a Darwinist?

FK: And, that we can never understand anything about that thing, which we will call "God".

We can't because it's above our level of comprehension. Claiming we do is to claim that our mind is on the par with God's; it is denying man's own limitations, and as Clint Eastwood says "Man's gotta know his limitations." :)

You must then suppose that it was God's intention that we understand nothing, since He created us this way, and you say God does nothing to allow us to understand. To me, that is a VERY unloving God. It seems that we have extremely different ideas about how our God relates to us.

6,645 posted on 07/24/2008 12:46:57 PM PDT by Forest Keeper (It is a joy to me to know that God had my number, before He created numbers.)
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To: Forest Keeper
It seems that we have extremely different ideas about how our God relates to us.

Indeed. Thank you so much for sharing your insights and testimony, dear brother in Christ!

6,646 posted on 07/24/2008 1:17:15 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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