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To: Forest Keeper; MarkBsnr; stfassisi; irishtenor; Dr. Eckleburg; Gamecock; wmfights; HarleyD
Does the Orthodox Church represent objective truth?

To the believers, the teaching of the Orthodox Church represents the spiritual truth taught by our Lord Jesus Christ.

So, God's hand-picked, right-hand man to Moses was comparable to Andrea Yates

Yes. People who kill because "God told them to" are insane. Every jihadist nut case believes he is doing "God's" will by blowing up pizza parlors and will tell you that in heaven he will receive many rewards for doing "God's" work on earth. 

John 5:46 : If you believed Moses, you would believe me, for he wrote about me.

I will ask you again (because this is not the first time you use this verse) where does Moses write about Jesus?

So here, you have Jesus supporting, in the Gospels, a man you put in the same league with Andrea Yates.

A murder is a murder, FK.

Francis Schaeffer said it well in his book "Escape From Reason"...the only way to be saved is to raise the empty hands of faith and, by God's grace, to accept God's free gift - faith alone. It was Scripture alone and faith alone."

Francis Schaeffer, again? There is nothing Jesus taught in what he wrote here! Nothing. Certainly not faith alone and scripture alone. 

Renaissance thinkers could not accept this because anything other than man was in control

Oh, that is so banal, FK. Renaissance thinkers realized that God gave us a playground and we are free to discover everything about it, to use something we can rely on, reason, and experiment, to make out lives better, to better humanity by providing comfort and abundance of food and other necessities.  Renaissance gave birth to printing presses and Bible books without which Luther's Deformation would have been without a basis. What good would have been the books if  1% of the population could read? But thanks to Renaissance, people took up learning and  which led to greater literacy. he result being more Bibles along with literacy!

6,606 posted on 07/22/2008 5:17:01 AM PDT by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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To: kosta50; MarkBsnr; stfassisi; irishtenor; Dr. Eckleburg; Gamecock; wmfights; HarleyD; Cvengr; ...
FK: So, God's hand-picked, right-hand man to Moses was comparable to Andrea Yates.

Yes. People who kill because "God told them to" are insane.

OK, then since Joshua succeeded Moses and led all of Israel, then it proves that insane people come to rule over God's people, installed by God no less. That doesn't exactly stir me with faith in the leaders of the Apostolic Church. :) I think I'll stick with God and let Him rule over the Church.

I will ask you again (because this is not the first time you use this verse) where does Moses write about Jesus?

I will answer you, I'm sure, as I did before. In places like this:

Deut 18:15-19 : 15 The Lord your God will raise up for you a prophet like me from among your own brothers. You must listen to him. 16 For this is what you asked of the Lord your God at Horeb on the day of the assembly when you said, "Let us not hear the voice of the Lord our God nor see this great fire anymore, or we will die." 17 The Lord said to me: "What they say is good. 18 I will raise up for them a prophet like you from among their brothers; I will put my words in his mouth, and he will tell them everything I command him. 19 If anyone does not listen to my words that the prophet speaks in my name, I myself will call him to account.

Gen 3:15 : And I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your offspring and hers; he will crush your head, and you will strike his heel."

These are obvious examples. But the fuller answer is that virtually every time he wrote about God he was writing about Christ. For example, the Genesis story of creation is talking about Christ since John confirms for us that Christ created all things.

6,643 posted on 07/24/2008 11:37:37 AM PDT by Forest Keeper (It is a joy to me to know that God had my number, before He created numbers.)
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