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To: Forest Keeper; MarkBsnr; stfassisi; irishtenor; Dr. Eckleburg; Gamecock; wmfights; Cvengr; ...
Kosta: One believes the message of the Bible, then, because it speaks of God we recognize in our hearts.

FK: Of all the hundreds or low thousands of Christian testimonies I have ever heard or read, not a single one goes anything like that

Isn't that what the "indwelling Spirit" does? The Spirit did not come to you because you read the Bible, but before you did, so that you may recognize the Bible as speaking the message of truth, as you know it.

You have argued a hundred times that the Holy Spirit does not lead the individual because how could anyone be sure that it was not secretly satan doing the leading

No, FK, I have simply asked those who claim to be "guided" by the Holy Spirit to provide some evidence of such a claim. Of course, they couldn't. So the whole issue is moot.

Yes, there can be no other source of faith but God.

God is the source of faith but the Bible is not. Your side equates the two.

I believe that the Bible is the word of God, so if biblolatry is the devotion to the word of God, then I am guilty as charged

Duly noted, FK, with my emphasis.

6,594 posted on 07/21/2008 11:30:14 AM PDT by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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To: kosta50; MarkBsnr; stfassisi; irishtenor; Dr. Eckleburg; Gamecock; wmfights; Cvengr; HarleyD; ...
Kosta: One believes the message of the Bible, then, because it speaks of God we recognize in our hearts.

FK: Of all the hundreds or low thousands of Christian testimonies I have ever heard or read, not a single one goes anything like that.

Kosta: Isn't that what the "indwelling Spirit" does? The Spirit did not come to you because you read the Bible, but before you did, so that you may recognize the Bible as speaking the message of truth, as you know it.

The Spirit does come first, but He doesn't give detailed "magic" knowledge. Maybe we're talking about two different things, I don't know. What I do know is that when the Holy Spirit first touched me, He sent me directly to the scriptures, before I believed. It was not the case where I said to myself: "Well I suddenly have everything I need to know, who needs the Bible?" :) The Holy Spirit also sent me to a teen Bible study group, where I heard the word preached. Between those two things I grew enough to be sure that I believed and became a believer.

FK: Yes, there can be no other source of faith but God.

God is the source of faith but the Bible is not. Your side equates the two.

As the sole source of faith, God uses His word to SHOW us what that faith IS. One cannot have a growing faith if he rejects God's word. To reject God's word is to reject God Himself. I do not think that Obama and his policies are the same thing. Yet, when I reject virtually all of his policies, I am also rejecting him.

6,629 posted on 07/23/2008 3:22:05 PM PDT by Forest Keeper (It is a joy to me to know that God had my number, before He created numbers.)
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