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To: Forest Keeper; MarkBsnr; stfassisi; irishtenor; Dr. Eckleburg; Gamecock; wmfights
I did not wake up one day and from nothing say "Eureka, now I believe". I came to belief through the gradual understanding of the basics of God's word

Paul and Gnostics would disagree with you, FK.

I'm not sure how one could possibly hold to Reformed principles without scripture

You mean without Paul?

A false repentance does not result in salvation any more than a false confession results in absolution

That's an oxymoron, FK. Confession is an audible expression of repentance. One repents in in his heart and voices that repentance in a confession.

It does not say this is possible since that would mean other scripture, especially from Christ, would be a lie

Especially from Christ? What about those who “believe for a while and in time of temptation fall away” (Luke 8:13)?

According to you they never believed...but Christ is quoted as saying otherwise.

[On Heb 10:36-38]...Paul is saying in verse 39 that we are not like that "impossible hypothetical that I just gave to you".

Paul? Paul wrote Hebrews? And your quote is not what the Bible says: there is no "hypothetical." You are making this up.

The NIV which you use says "39. But we are not of those who shrink back and are destroyed, but of those who believe and are saved."

6,522 posted on 07/16/2008 10:11:55 AM PDT by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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To: kosta50; MarkBsnr; stfassisi; irishtenor; Dr. Eckleburg; Gamecock; wmfights
FK: I did not wake up one day and from nothing say "Eureka, now I believe". I came to belief through the gradual understanding of the basics of God's word.

Paul and Gnostics would disagree with you, FK.

My case is the typical case, but of course God can do it any way He wants. He had a special plan for Paul in this regard, which is His prerogative. I'm not even jealous. :) Plus, Paul TAUGHT to search the scriptures along the way so he KNEW he was a special case in the way he learned.

FK: I'm not sure how one could possibly hold to Reformed principles without scripture.

You mean without Paul?

Well, you're the one who says we believe in the OT too much! :) Besides, Sola Scriptura means we have to believe in and follow all of the scriptures. It's all we have for written revelation.

What about those who “believe for a while and in time of temptation fall away” (Luke 8:13)? According to you they never believed...but Christ is quoted as saying otherwise.

If you read Christ that way, you have Him saying that there can be true faith with no root. (What would be true about the faith if it had no root?) If so, then that would mean that faith is no longer a requirement for salvation because anyone could simply claim it, then do all the works, etc., for whatever reason, and then be saved. Does that sound like something Christ would teach? That would be a works-ONLY salvation.


6,536 posted on 07/17/2008 3:43:34 PM PDT by Forest Keeper (It is a joy to me to know that God had my number, before He created numbers.)
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