Where does Christ speak of "salvational grace?" Get real.
Mark: If Adam and Eve could fall from grace, surely we can fall from grace as well.
FK: Apples and oranges. You can't compare when the starting positions were so opposite.
What? If man, who knew no evil and had it all, could fall from grace, certainly the wounded nature we all have can do the same a lot easier.
Where does Christ speak of "salvational grace?" Get real.
Aside from 2 Cor. 12:9 where does Jesus EVER speak of any kind of grace, by name? That doesn't mean the principle isn't clearly laid out in scripture. Do you say you do not believe in saving grace? I wouldn't argue with you if you said you didn't. Saving grace doesn't match Apostolic theology, since in that theology there is a premium on the works and decisions of the person. The mover and shaker of a man's salvation is the man himself, with some help from God of course.
Mark: If Adam and Eve could fall from grace, surely we can fall from grace as well.
FK: Apples and oranges. You can't compare when the starting positions were so opposite.
Kosta: What? If man, who knew no evil and had it all, could fall from grace, certainly the wounded nature we all have can do the same a lot easier.
It isn't the same. In the way the term is used today, "falling from grace" usually means to lose one's salvation. Adam technically wasn't "saved" before he sinned, so we cannot compare what Adam did to a saved sinner losing what Christ's gift was. Adam had no need of Christ's gift UNTIL he sinned. The comparison doesn't hold since Adam was in a totally unique situation, never since repeated.