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To: Forest Keeper; MarkBsnr; stfassisi; irishtenor; Dr. Eckleburg; Gamecock; wmfights
It goes back to what the original words MEAN. Words either have meaning or they do not. "God-breathed" and "inspired" do not mean mere blind nudges

What original meaning, FK? Where do you find the words "inspired" in the Bible? Your NIV version, just like the NAB version, find "inspired" in many places where the original text doesn't. In fact, there simply isn't any, with one exception.

This particular exception is in 2 Tim 3:16, QeopneumatoV (Theopneumatos), which is purely a Pauline construct. So, what "original" meaning are you talking about?

It doesn't say anything about being "infallible," or being written by God. It simply means that all scripture is spirited, motivated, given life, by God. In other words, God is the cause but not the doer.

But isn't everything in this world Theopneumatos?!? The early Christians certanly believed it, we believe it, and reaffirm that belief every Sunday in our Creed:

According to the Reformed theology, we could say the same thing about evil, as well as human beings. After all, Adam was Theopneumatos, and he was anything but perfect. And the Fall in the Garden of Eden was also Theopneumatos, as was the fall of the satan and other angelic hosts.

There is no "perfection" in the product of that which is Theopneumatos. Your theology maintains that it is all part of God's perfect "plan," but if there is anything we learn from the Bible it is that which is Theopneumatos is anything but perfect by definition.

Such corruption is a pruely Potestant innovation, for obvious reasons. It is also a develish deception, because it implies that, being Theopneumatos, the evil itself is perfect and infallible.

The deceptive part of which stfassisi talks about always is in the fact that so many don't see it when it is glaringly obvious.

6,479 posted on 07/12/2008 9:30:02 AM PDT by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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To: kosta50; MarkBsnr; stfassisi; irishtenor; Dr. Eckleburg; Gamecock; wmfights; Alamo-Girl; Quix
What original meaning, FK? Where do you find the words "inspired" in the Bible? Your NIV version, just like the NAB version, find "inspired" in many places where the original text doesn't. In fact, there simply isn't any, with one exception. This particular exception is in 2 Tim 3:16, QeopneumatoV (Theopneumatos), which is purely a Pauline construct. So, what "original" meaning are you talking about?

I used the term "God-breathed" and you noted the verse. You have been showed many verses about the truth and power of God's word, but I'm not sure it would do any good to list them again since I think you would distinguish that we disagree on what WAS original, and we disagree on whether most of the NT is a Christian authority. :)

It doesn't say anything about being "infallible," or being written by God. It simply means that all scripture is spirited, motivated, given life, by God. In other words, God is the cause but not the doer.

So when Jesus said that He did not come to change one jot or tittle, that meant He supported error and mistake?

But isn't everything in this world Theopneumatos?!?

Nice try, but No. :) The rest of the world has been meaningfully corrupted. The Bible has not:

Matt 24:35 : Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away.

1 John 2:17 : The world and its desires pass away, but the man who does the will of God lives forever.

The will of God for us has been revealed to us in the entirety of the scriptures. You, and the Orthodox Church since it believes that the original writings were subject to human error, describe the scriptures as if they were part of "the world". Isn't that correct?

There is no "perfection" in the product of that which is Theopneumatos. Your theology maintains that it is all part of God's perfect "plan," but if there is anything we learn from the Bible it is that which is Theopneumatos is anything but perfect by definition.

Then for you there can be nothing that intrinsically separates the Bible from any other book "of the world".

6,483 posted on 07/14/2008 12:35:13 AM PDT by Forest Keeper (It is a joy to me to know that God had my number, before He created numbers.)
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