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To: kosta50; MarkBsnr; stfassisi; irishtenor; Dr. Eckleburg; Gamecock; wmfights
FK: I want my dog to understand content to the best of his capability. Why would God want less for us?,/p>

I think that is incorrect, FK. We want our dogs to obey by recognizing the command. We can euphemistically say that the dog "understands" but that is the fallacy of anthropomorphizing our pets as well.

No, I think a dog can understand "if I do this then I get a yummy treat or a pat on the head which I like". That's not too complicated for them, and it IS understanding. Dogs don't obey commands for no reason, at least at first. And just from personal experience our dog treats every individual family member differently, based on his perceived station for us. I am the "king", etc. That HAS to involve some understanding.

6,438 posted on 07/10/2008 12:02:57 AM PDT by Forest Keeper (It is a joy to me to know that God had my number, before He created numbers.)
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To: Forest Keeper

***No, I think a dog can understand “if I do this then I get a yummy treat or a pat on the head which I like”. That’s not too complicated for them, and it IS understanding. Dogs don’t obey commands for no reason, at least at first. And just from personal experience our dog treats every individual family member differently, based on his perceived station for us. I am the “king”, etc. That HAS to involve some understanding.***

Are you comparing a dog getting a yummy treat to our everlasting life? We really do have completely different theologies, sir. And a completely different understanding of God.


6,445 posted on 07/10/2008 5:56:45 AM PDT by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: Forest Keeper; MarkBsnr; stfassisi; irishtenor; Dr. Eckleburg; Gamecock; wmfights
No, I think a dog can understand "if I do this then I get a yummy treat or a pat on the head which I like".

Learning and understanding are two different things, FK. Experimental psychology has proven that long time ago; an organism does not require understanding to learn.

To "understand" involves grasping of the meaning, comprehension.

To "learn" involves acquiring a skill. Thus, learning and understanding ( comprehending) is not mutually exclusive or necessarily mutually interdependent, as is the case with need and want.

And just from personal experience our dog treats every individual family member differently, based on his perceived station for us. I am the "king", etc. That HAS to involve some understanding.

And ants know who the queen is, FK, but I doubt they "understand" why.

6,491 posted on 07/14/2008 6:11:12 PM PDT by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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