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To: Forest Keeper; MarkBsnr; stfassisi; irishtenor; Dr. Eckleburg; Gamecock
Kosta: Revelation was written when it was necessary, given the context of where Christianity was at the end of the first century.

FK: So, did God not even give His little "nudge" on that one? I.e., was Revelation inspired by your definition?

It may very well be! Now you are beginning to think like me. :)

Those of us who believe will say it was God guiding the Church. But the fact that such little interventions are necessary shows that nothing in our way of doing God's will is perfect, that our faith and worship and interpretations are individually fallible. History show us that even great theologians slip into error, and the Bible tells us that even some of the Apostles doubted Christ to the very end, and that all to a greater or lesser extent misinterpreted Him until the Pentecost.

As I pointed out earlier, the Pentecost was a turning point, when they ceased being followers and doubters and became irreversible believers and martyrs for faith. Something happened there and it was life-chaning and there is no denying it.

Sure, sometimes. God's revelation is in His Holy word which can be communicated through the printed page or directly through the Spirit

Totally disagree with you! The Holy Spirit spoke through the prophets says the Creed. You are separating HS form God. In fact, the Protestants seem to have a problem integrating God with the other two Hypostases. It's not surprising though.

God's revelation is realization that something must be not from this world. It's not God's "word." The words that describe this realization are ours and therefore imperfect and limited.

You are talking about little visions and voices that someone is putting in your head. That's insanity, FK. Hallucinations, psychotic experiences. Unfortunately, that's what so many people believe is revelation and then they God and kill their children because "God told me to."

Unfortunately, that's how most people are convinced that the Bible is true. They have to read it. People believe anything they read. "I saw in the New York Times, it must be true." I remember years back one of our assistants was from Russia (a mail-order bride of sorts). Her favorite "defense" was (in heavy Russian accent) "It must be true, it's in the kompyutr."

People like stories. They believe stories. We can communicate morals and messages through stories and make it "entertaining" and "fun to read." But this is our way of communicating. God's revelations are wordless realizations of where we are and perhaps even why.

6,387 posted on 07/04/2008 8:16:55 AM PDT by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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To: kosta50; MarkBsnr; stfassisi; irishtenor; Dr. Eckleburg; Gamecock; wmfights
FK: Sure, sometimes. God's revelation is in His Holy word which can be communicated through the printed page or directly through the Spirit.

Totally disagree with you! The Holy Spirit spoke through the prophets says the Creed. You are separating HS form God. In fact, the Protestants seem to have a problem integrating God with the other two Hypostases. It's not surprising though.

Holy Spirit DID speak through the prophets, but the Bible says He also speaks through US, all believers. He leads us in all things and gives us the proper words to say at the proper time according to God's will. There is no separation between Holy Spirit and God. Holy Spirit IS God.

God's revelation is realization that something must be not from this world. It's not God's "word." The words that describe this realization are ours and therefore imperfect and limited.

Ah, that explains much. For you then, in CONCRETE terms there is no revelation from God at all. There appear to be only nudges and notions. Man is who really constructs the faith as we understand it today. Therefore, I would assume, since the Bible is a man-made construct, every man is free to decide which portions work for him and which do not. In addition, every man is free to follow any group of men that sound like they make sense to him. To me, that reduces everything to faith a la carte, led by an extremely weak and disinterested God.

God's revelations are wordless realizations of where we are and perhaps even why.

And I suppose it's by blind faith that you know that the total of God's revelations are not the same hallucinations you speak of?

6,397 posted on 07/06/2008 8:44:42 PM PDT by Forest Keeper (It is a joy to me to know that God had my number, before He created numbers.)
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