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To: kosta50; MarkBsnr; stfassisi; irishtenor; Dr. Eckleburg; Gamecock
FK: The faith and worship are there in the scriptures and I continue to find more of it as I am sanctified in my Christian walk for the rest of my life.

Where does the Bible prescribe "worship?"

Here:

John 4:23-24 : 23 Yet a time is coming and has now come when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth, for they are the kind of worshipers the Father seeks. 24 God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship in spirit and in truth."

We are also given more clues in verses like James 4:8 (Come near to God and He will come near to you) and Rom. 12:2 (Do not conform any more to the pattern of this world but be transformed by the renewing of your mind.).

There is no conflict between them at all? You know that for certain? Then why do we have more than one version?

I never said or implied that there were no differences at all between the versions I mentioned. I mean that there are no material differences that would lead a reader to a manifestly different faith if he followed any of the respective texts. For example, if I switched today to using the KJV as my primary source my faith would not change one whit.

Jesus never spoke of the "core" belief. Core belief is not enough. What is the core belief? It's not even a fixed entity.

Jesus spoke about many things that can be considered "core beliefs". They include His deity, His resurrection, His atonement for our sins, and His second coming. There are other core beliefs too, such as the virgin birth and the inspiration of scriptures. There's no official list, but most of them are common sense.

Well, He could have converted the hearts and not have to go through all the blood and guts and suffering, but He didn't. That shows that He chose to play the hand dealt by man. I know this may "offend" your idea of a more powerful God, but you will have to take that up with Him.

Oh, I'll take it up with Him alright. :) I'll ask Him that if you are right, why did He lie to us about His power in His word. The possibility that you don't consider is that He orchestrated every detail of everything that has happened for His own reasons, not fully explainable by us. If God is a mere reactor to man's doings, then He is also a liar, according to the scriptures.

6,356 posted on 07/01/2008 11:48:21 PM PDT by Forest Keeper (It is a joy to me to know that God had my number, before He created numbers.)
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To: Forest Keeper; MarkBsnr; stfassisi; irishtenor; Dr. Eckleburg; Gamecock
Kosta: Where does the Bible prescribe "worship?"

FK: Here: John 4:23-24...

That verse doesn't say how to worship.

We are also given more clues in verses like James 4:8 (Come near to God and He will come near to you

Oh I see...and how do you come to God? Is it not God who comes to us first?

I mean that there are no material differences that would lead a reader to a manifestly different faith if he followed any of the respective texts

Sure there are. The KJV is decidely protestantized. You are also forgetting the Septuagint, the Old Testament of the Apostles which the West flatly rejects.

The Portestants/Baptists also reject the books the early Church considered part of the scripture and does to this day.

So your statement is oatently false.

Jesus spoke about many things that can be considered "core beliefs". They include His deity, His resurrection, His atonement for our sins, and His second coming

Where does Jesus call Himself God? Don't give me answers that point or suggest, but rather where does He say "I am God?"

Where does He say His was a virgin borth? Does He claim that?

The Christian "core beliefs" is a Triune God (in every respect coeternal and substantial), a Hypostatic Union of Christ's Incarnation, and Mary being the vrigin brithgiver of our Lord. As far as I can tell, Christ never speaks of either of those.

Oh, I'll take it up with Him alright. :) I'll ask Him that if you are right, why did He lie to us about His power in His word. The possibility that you don't consider is that He orchestrated every detail of everything that has happened for His own reasons, not fully explainable by us

Then I have nothing to say to Him. If I am wrong in my beliefs, it would be His "orchestration," that irresistable divine "tractor beam" leadings us around.

If God is a mere reactor to man's doings, then He is also a liar, according to the scriptures.

He came to save the world which became corrupt. But since you beloieve that God oirchestrated man's corruption I giuess His coming to earth was just for show. As far as lying is cocnerned, the OT tells us that God sends deceving spirits. Does that make God a deceiver? Maybe the way OT authors saw God, yes. But Christ is an altogether different story.

6,392 posted on 07/05/2008 11:55:17 PM PDT by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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