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To: Forest Keeper; MarkBsnr; stfassisi; irishtenor; Dr. Eckleburg; Gamecock; savedbygrace
He came into the world as a Jew because the Jews were God's people. The lost sheep of Israel are all of the elect who do or did not yet believe, including Gentiles, as Paul tells us

The Jews are God's people only because that' what they believe. Other nations believed that they were God's people. Eve Americans believe our destiny is providential.

Jesus never taught that the Gentiles are the lost sheep of Israel. That is Paul's claim. It was necessary to save the Church.

Christ was not a salesman. The predestined elect were always going to be saved, and the lost will always be lost. Christ completed the revelation God wanted us to have

That's nonsense, with all due respect, FK. Then what was His preaching all about? He never said what you wrote above. In fact He remind us that those who deny Him He will deny before the Father as well. In other words, He recognizes that people have a choice, and puts the consequence of our choice squarely on on our shoulders. God offers His love to all; we accept or reject it.

6,336 posted on 06/28/2008 8:46:39 PM PDT by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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To: kosta50; MarkBsnr; stfassisi; irishtenor; Dr. Eckleburg; Gamecock
Jesus never taught that the Gentiles are the lost sheep of Israel. That is Paul's claim. It was necessary to save the Church.

It is pure assumption to say that the red letters of the Gospels were intended to be the complete written revelation of God. An assumption, that is, that requires that God is a liar elsewhere in scripture. The teachings of every major church in Christianity, including your own, must be thrown out to hold this view. I accept that Paul's teachings are true because they are scripture, and they do not conflict with Christ.

FK: Christ was not a salesman. The predestined elect were always going to be saved, and the lost will always be lost. Christ completed the revelation God wanted us to have.

That's nonsense, with all due respect, FK. Then what was His preaching all about? He never said what you wrote above.

Jesus said this:

Matt 5:17-18 : 17 "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18 I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished.

That is what I said above. As far as the predestination, Jesus speaks of never losing one that the Father has previously given Him.

6,357 posted on 07/02/2008 1:10:11 AM PDT by Forest Keeper (It is a joy to me to know that God had my number, before He created numbers.)
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