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To: kosta50; MarkBsnr; stfassisi; irishtenor; Dr. Eckleburg; Gamecock
I have no idea if Abraham really existed or not. It's quite immaterial if he lived or not. He is the archetype of a man who would be "righteous." Like Job, or Jonah, he serves a purpose in the development of Judaism and through Judaism of Christianity and Islam. He give it legitimacy of sorts.

But doesn't this lay out the same foundation for the OT (Christian) God as for say, the Greek gods, i.e. myth? Using this approach, I don't see how following the one and only God is any better than following the Greek gods. Lots of men blindly believed in and wrote about them too.

[Re: Matt. 12:12] I think you are missing the point, FK: Jesus here is telling the Jews they got the whole thing wrong. He is redefining what Moses wrote. He is telling them that 1300 years of Judaism had it all wrong and that it's okay to do work on a Sabbath, even though the OT Bible says it isn't.

The OT wasn't wrong. Properly interpreted it teaches that God is to be honored on the Sabbath. Doing good honors God. Declaring the OT wrong countermands what Jesus taught.

As St. John of Damascus, the last of the Desert Fathers, wrote in his Exact Exposition of the Orthodox Faith," Ch. IV ...... "But what He [God] is in His essence anti nature is absolutely incomprehensible and unknowable. For it is evident that He is incorporeal. For how could that possess body which is infinite, and boundless, and formless, and intangible and invisible, in short, simple and not compound? How could that be immutable which is circumscribed and subject to passion? And how could that be passionless which is composed of elements and is resolved again into them? ......"

All this says to me is how could God be God if He was subject to human frailty. I would agree with that. It seems that on the one hand the Orthodox position is that we can know nothing of the essence of God, but on the other hand we CAN KNOW that His essence is both mono-faceted AND definable as "love"???

6,331 posted on 06/28/2008 4:15:56 PM PDT by Forest Keeper (It is a joy to me to know that God had my number, before He created numbers.)
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To: Forest Keeper; MarkBsnr; stfassisi; irishtenor; Dr. Eckleburg; Gamecock
But doesn't this lay out the same foundation for the OT (Christian) God as for say, the Greek gods, i.e. myth? Using this approach, I don't see how following the one and only God is any better than following the Greek gods. Lots of men blindly believed in and wrote about them too.

Non-Christains believe that we are wrong with equal fervor we believe they are. Do we have absolute proof that our is the right faith? No, we only believe that it is.

The OT wasn't wrong. Properly interpreted it teaches that God is to be honored on the Sabbath. Doing good honors God.

No, FK, the OT says that any work is prohibited on a Sabbath. It could't be more plain.

These are not interpretations, FK. This is supposedly straight from the words of God, recorded by Moses and prophets.

And I am telling you that Jesus discredited Moses and the prophets when He said that good works are acceptable on a Sabbath, because that's surely NOT what the OT says even thought that's what God may have had in mind, and the good authors of OT books just didn't "hear" it right! But there is no doubt as to what they wrote.

It seems that on the one hand the Orthodox position is that we can know nothing of the essence of God, but on the other hand we CAN KNOW that His essence is both mono-faceted AND definable as "love"???

Love is not God's essence; Love is God. And Love is never hate, lest it ceases being Love. You are human; at no instance can you be not human. God is God and He is never non-God. That much we can know (through negation).

6,338 posted on 06/28/2008 9:21:46 PM PDT by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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