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To: Forest Keeper; MarkBsnr; stfassisi; irishtenor; Dr. Eckleburg; Gamecock
The Bible doesn't say which sins we should confess, just that we should confess sins

Sure, you confess ingratitude to God, anger, envy, pride, arrogance, gluttony, coveting, lying, etc. The details don't make sins more, or less sinful. The Bible teaches that committing one sin is as good as committing all of them.

The idea is to change your behavior, and you do that by becoming aware that your behaving is sin and by repenting, which is to say to never wish to repeat it.

More confession leads to more conviction and repentance.

We should confess everything we are aware of that is sinful in our daily lives, whether deeds or thoughts. Just because we may not remember all of them doesn't mean we don't regret them. So we must confess in principle and repent in principle.

Sure, and when you are aware of that, then you won't become angry and there is no issue of sin

If someone threatens your life with his carelessness, or causes great deal of damage, which may result in injury or even a death of a loved one, a missed appointment, flight, whatever, it is difficult not to get angry. The important thing is not to judge. We can hate the sin but not the sinner.

There are a hundred different ways of committing adultery. Are you telling me that the confession of a single person sleeping around should be the same as that of one who consistently lies to his wife about his whereabouts and pays to have unsafe sex with a brood of prostitutes?

I presume both of them are married. In which case the answer is Yes. Is one murder any less of a sin than three in the eyes of God? Are you any less of a murder if you commit one and not three?

The problem in both cases in your scenario is that neither one of them is regretful and ready to stop the offensive behavior. Maybe that's because they believe they are already "saved"...

That is why I say content DOES matter

I disagree. It makes no difference if one commits adultery with a blonde, brunette or both.

Well, I thought that your point was that the murder would be wrapped into the sin of adultery

No, that was not my point, FK. Murder is a separate sin.

The intention was to get away with adultery.

You don't know that.

6,324 posted on 06/26/2008 4:42:13 PM PDT by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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To: kosta50; MarkBsnr; stfassisi; irishtenor; Dr. Eckleburg; Gamecock
We should confess everything we are aware of that is sinful in our daily lives, whether deeds or thoughts. Just because we may not remember all of them doesn't mean we don't regret them. So we must confess in principle and repent in principle.

You gave me a traffic example in which you remembered getting angry at separate drivers for different offenses. You then said it was OK to bundle all of those separate sins into one, thus relieving you of full confession. That doesn't match what you say above.

If someone threatens your life with his carelessness, or causes great deal of damage, which may result in injury or even a death of a loved one, a missed appointment, flight, whatever, it is difficult not to get angry. The important thing is not to judge. We can hate the sin but not the sinner.

But let's face it, whenever someone harms us we do not make that distinction. In the moment we are angry with THAT person. That's what I thought you meant in your traffic example. Of course righteous anger at sin itself is Biblical and justified, such as how Jesus demonstrated.

FK: There are a hundred different ways of committing adultery. Are you telling me that the confession of a single person sleeping around should be the same as that of one who consistently lies to his wife about his whereabouts and pays to have unsafe sex with a brood of prostitutes?

I presume both of them are married. In which case the answer is Yes.

When I said "A single person" I meant to indicate one who was unmarried. I don't see how my comparison would make much sense otherwise.

Is one murder any less of a sin than three in the eyes of God? Are you any less of a murder if you commit one and not three?

Well, it depends on what sense of "any less of a sin" you mean. If you mean will three murders send you "more" to hell than one lie, then "no". However, it is obvious that within the theater a triple murderer is worse than a single murderer (it is irrelevant if the murderer is married :) Beyond the common sense principle that repeating a sin is worse than committing it one time, the Bible gives us clues about this. The OT is clear that there was proportionate punishment for sin. For example, in God's system then the punishment for kidnapping was death (Ex. 21:16), but the punishment for stealing livestock was its restoration (Ex. 22:1), etc. Proportionate punishment related to proportionate sin. That only makes sense. All sin merits eternal death, but beyond that some sin is worse.

FK: That is why I say content DOES matter.

I disagree. It makes no difference if one commits adultery with a blonde, brunette or both.

Hair color is not a relevant factor in determining content here. In this specific context, two teenagers mutually fooling around is not the same as a married man of 15 years cheating on his wife and three children with some bimbo with STDs. All are committing adultery and fatal sin to be sure, but they are not the same.

FK: The intention was to get away with adultery.

You don't know that.

Are you telling me that it is not clear that David had Uriah killed so that he could have his wife and conceal the child she had conceived with David??? Remember that when Uriah came to see David he never went to sleep with Bathsheba. The Bible makes a strong point of this showing that David couldn't possibly get away with sluffing it off as Uriah's child. I'd be happy to quote the passage if you like (2 Sam. 11:2-27). After reading the whole thing, there really can be no doubt as to what happened here.

6,350 posted on 06/30/2008 4:05:49 AM PDT by Forest Keeper (It is a joy to me to know that God had my number, before He created numbers.)
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