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To: Forest Keeper; MarkBsnr; stfassisi; irishtenor; Dr. Eckleburg; Gamecock
But don't you say in the same breath that the OT righteous didn't "really" know Jesus?

That is correct. The OT is the foreshadowing.

It doesn't compute to me that according to the OT God had one on one communication with the prophets, while "hiding" the Jesus you seem to say is only knowable in the NT

That is correct too. The OT God is an anthropomorphic, pseudo-pagan deity, more resembling Zeus then Christ. Clearly, in its long history, Judaism moved from being very pagan to being messianic.

Christ, on the other hand, is not a product of anthropomorphism of various prophets. We don't have to "imagine" Christ, or hear voices and see visions in a trans: we read what appear as eyewitness accounts of a living God walking and talking on earth.

And if they are not direct eyewitness accounts, the narratives are based on eyewitness accounts.

That is part of it, but He also came to SAVE His people Negative, FK. He came to offer salvation to all. Those who came to Him, responding to His call, are His by adoption.

Is the Christ who overturned the money-changers' tables the same Christ who did not condemn the adulteress EVEN THOUGH He knew that she was guilty (by the text)?

Unfortunately, the part of the adulteress (I imagine you are referring to John 7:53-8:11, better known as Pericope aduleterae ) was added at a later date; it never happened. It is not found in any of the earlier copies of John's Gospel. Sorry to burst your bubble. :)

The Gospels deal with intent, and doing anything for money is frowned upon. In fact, money is said to be the root of all evil. There is a passage where a man tries to buy his salvation and is rebuked by the disciples. And we all know the rich man and Lazarus story and the famous 'it is easier for a camel..." part.

Is the Christ who proclaimed the Law the same Christ who said that it is good to do good work on the Sabbath?

God didn't change. Christ simply interpreted the OT correctly (the way it should have been interpreted), again, emphasizing the intent. He didn't say that doing any work on a Sabbath is good. Saving a man's life, whose misfortune is not an intentional distraction from God on a Sabbath, is not the same as intentionally engaging in frivolous activities, and intentionally neglecting God.

But He also reminds us that the "eye-for-eye" rule is not the correct response because returning evil for evil doesn't produce good.

There is no multifaceted Christ. Christ is consistent. His message doesn't change. God doesn't change.

6,244 posted on 06/16/2008 7:45:20 PM PDT by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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To: kosta50; MarkBsnr; stfassisi; irishtenor; Dr. Eckleburg; Gamecock
The OT God is an anthropomorphic, pseudo-pagan deity, more resembling Zeus then Christ. Clearly, in its long history, Judaism moved from being very pagan to being messianic.

Then you must believe that Abraham, among others, either never lived or was a pagan? Jesus spoke many times of Abraham, and never in mythic terms:

Matt 8:11 : I say to you that many will come from the east and the west, and will take their places at the feast with Abraham, Isaac and Jacob in the kingdom of heaven.

Sounds to me like Judaism got off to a good enough start.

The Gospels deal with intent, and doing anything for money is frowned upon. In fact, money is said to be the root of all evil.

Nope, it is the LOVE of money that is a root of all kinds of evil (1 Tim. 6:10). There is nothing wrong with money itself, or the earning of it or having of it. Did Jesus not use money without sin? Look at the whole OT God-ordained system of sacrifices. Many times they involved money. When you tithe to your Church you don't later go to confession for having earned it, right? :)

Christ simply interpreted the OT correctly (the way it should have been interpreted), again, emphasizing the intent. He didn't say that doing any work on a Sabbath is good. Saving a man's life, whose misfortune is not an intentional distraction from God on a Sabbath, is not the same as intentionally engaging in frivolous activities, and intentionally neglecting God.

The theme of your post has been on "intent", but what is that as opposed to? Jesus said here that it was lawful to do good on the Sabbath (Matt. 12:12).

There is no multifaceted Christ. Christ is consistent. His message doesn't change. God doesn't change.

Being multifaceted has nothing to do with consistency or changing. They are two different subjects. satan is mono-faceted and consistent. People are multifaceted and some are consistent and some are changing. God is multifaceted AND consistent. This is what the whole of scripture reveals. It is God's revelation. It takes a human decision to declare God mono-faceted and only accept part of the revelation. For one to say that God is only love in the human sense is to deny that He is also just and that He has wrath, for example.

6,259 posted on 06/21/2008 7:49:52 PM PDT by Forest Keeper (It is a joy to me to know that God had my number, before He created numbers.)
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