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To: Forest Keeper; kosta50; aruanan; MarkBsnr; Dr. Eckleburg; irishtenor; restornu
FK-””Then the universe is governed by either the Fates, or random chance. What other explanation is available for all the sin in the Bible that HAD to happen for prophecy to be filled? “”

No,FK. God sees everything as one NOW.

There is a reason for penance and reparation,fk.

God created us free and wants the natural order of goodness in man and the universe restored.

This is going to happen completely when God is fed up with our sin at some point anyway;)

It is sin that disrupts the natural order(not random choice) and you believe in a God who planned sin and everything. Thus attaching God to sin and having a God who disrupts His own plan using rag dolls(per Kosta) to accomplish that plan.

Why? for amusement?

6,172 posted on 06/05/2008 5:48:15 AM PDT by stfassisi ( ("Above all gifts that Christ gives his beloved is that of overcoming self"-St Francis Assisi))
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To: stfassisi

***It is sin that disrupts the natural order(not random choice) and you believe in a God who planned sin and everything. Thus attaching God to sin and having a God who disrupts His own plan using rag dolls(per Kosta) to accomplish that plan.

Why? for amusement?***

The Westminster Confession of Faith uses the term “pleasure” to indicate what God likes, wants, and wills to happen.

Chapter II:

He has made, nor deriving any glory from them, but only manifesting His own glory in, by, unto, and upon them. He is the alone fountain of all being, of whom, through whom, and to whom are all things; and has most sovereign dominion over them, to do by them, for them, or upon them whatsoever Himself pleases.

To Him is due from angels and men, and every other creature, whatsoever worship, service, or obedience He is pleased to require of them.

The rest of mankind God was pleased, according to the unsearchable counsel of His own will, whereby He extends or withholds mercy, as He pleases, for the glory of His sovereign power over His creatures, to pass by; and to ordain them to dishonour and wrath for their sin, to the praised of His glorious justice.

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And so on. The Reformed God described in the WCF has created us for His own cruel amusement and sadistic pleasure, much like a small boy pulls the wings and legs off flies or burns ants under a magnifying glass.


6,179 posted on 06/05/2008 12:08:30 PM PDT by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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