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To: irishtenor
Stfassisi-”The Crucifixion was the only time that God gave man the power to do anything to Him and man CHOOSE to Crucify Him.***

IT-”Dear Saint, do you think man was able to do this without the express consent of God the Father? Do you think man can do anything without the express consent of God?”

Man can freely separate himself from God to sin .

God does not give man consent to sin

6,156 posted on 06/04/2008 5:45:45 PM PDT by stfassisi ( ("Above all gifts that Christ gives his beloved is that of overcoming self"-St Francis Assisi))
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To: stfassisi

***Man can freely separate himself from God to sin .

God does not give man consent to sin***

On the contrary, Romans 1 says,” 24 Therefore God gave them up in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, to the dishonoring of their bodies among themselves, 25 because they exchanged the truth about God for a lie and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever! Amen.

26 For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature; 27 and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error.

28 And since they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God gave them up to a debased mind to do what ought not to be done. 29 They were filled with all manner of unrighteousness, evil, covetousness, malice. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, maliciousness. They are gossips, 30 slanderers, haters of God, insolent, haughty, boastful, inventors of evil, disobedient to parents, 31 foolish, faithless, heartless, ruthless. 32 Though they know God’s decree that those who practice such things deserve to die, they not only do them but give approval to those who practice them.

See, God gave them up, he allowed them to sin, he did not keep them from sinning. Man cannot separate himself from God, because God separated himself from man with Adam. It was all God’s action, God’s choosing. Man cannot spite God, befuddle God, confuse God, confound God, or act independantly from God. Man cannot surprise God. God will never say, “Golly, how did you get up here?”


6,157 posted on 06/04/2008 6:43:07 PM PDT by irishtenor (Check out my blog at http://boompa53.blogspot.com/)
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To: stfassisi; irishtenor
SFA to IT: God does not give man consent to sin

Excellent dear brother! Basic Christianity.

6,160 posted on 06/04/2008 7:35:53 PM PDT by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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