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To: stfassisi; kosta50; aruanan; MarkBsnr; Dr. Eckleburg; irishtenor
FK: "In the first Paul asks them if they KNOW, because they SHOULD know. In the second Paul says flat out “I KNOW””.

Say what you want ,Dear Brother,but 1 Cor 19-20 and 1 Tim 12 say nothing of guarantied Salvation by faith alone. Take a look at what Blessed Saint John Chrysostom says,since you think I inserted my own personal interpretations.

I read it, but frankly I don't see how it relates to this conversation or to what I wrote. In addition, there was no claim here that these verses proved sola fide. My claim was that Paul KNEW he was saved and that other believers could too. In that light, and from these verses, what do you say "Do you not know..." and "I know" mean, since they apparently do not relate to knowledge for some folks around here. :)

6,085 posted on 06/02/2008 10:30:10 PM PDT by Forest Keeper (It is a joy to me to know that God had my number, before He created numbers.)
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To: Forest Keeper

***My claim was that Paul KNEW he was saved and that other believers could too.***

Then why does Paul say that it is possible to lose one’s salvation? Rom 11:

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For if God did not spare the natural branches, (perhaps) he will not spare you either.
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See, then, the kindness and severity of God: severity toward those who fell, but God’s kindness to you, provided you remain in his kindness; otherwise you too will be cut off.
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And they also, if they do not remain in unbelief, will be grafted in, for God is able to graft them in again.
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For if you were cut from what is by nature a wild olive tree, and grafted, contrary to nature, into a cultivated one, how much more will they who belong to it by nature be grafted back into their own olive tree.


6,099 posted on 06/03/2008 8:13:25 AM PDT by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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